nananonymous (u/nananonymous)

nananonymous commented on Lbry.io – decentralized digital library lbry.io... · Posted by u/rmm

> Being forced to adopt others beliefs about diversity as their own is the definition of hegemony.

Okay?

I really don't have any interest in where this conversation seems to be going.

If you're dealing with a troll, doing what I said will disarm 99% of their tactics. If you don't like that, take it up with the trolls.

If you, rather, have a problem with diversity itself, then let's end this discussion here.

EDIT:

> You're taking part in making sure they have the "right" beliefs about business structure and hiring practices, and it's all the more insidious because you claim you're not.

Okay, this is clearly not a discussion worth having.

nananonymous · 9 years ago

> Okay, this is clearly not a discussion worth having.

100% agreed.

nananonymous commented on Lbry.io – decentralized digital library lbry.io... · Posted by u/rmm

CiPHPerCoder · 9 years ago

> Subsequent attempts to engage sincerely were also met with derision, so I'm not sure anything could have ever been done that wouldn't have been met similarly.

Some people are like that, where if you respond to their snark, your response will be used against you to tarnish your reputation in the eyes of bystanders.

It is important to never let them get the moral high ground.

If someone says something like...

* "Your team is all white."

* "Your team is all male."

* "Your team is all American."

* "Your team is all able-bodied."

A better way to respond would be something like, "That's true. We're always looking for new talent and embrace diversity, just haven't had much luck yet. <hiring page URL here> if anyone's interested."

It addresses the problem, and contains an open invitation for people of diverse backgrounds to apply.

(All of this is assuming you're willing to work with people who aren't white, aren't male, aren't American, and/or aren't able-bodied, of course.)

nananonymous · 9 years ago

This type of social control is so bizarre to me. Like, here's a literal script for you to read from if you'd like us to stop attacking you in the future.

nananonymous commented on CERN experiment discovers five new particles stfc.ac.uk/news/cern-expe... · Posted by u/musha68k

jamesdwilson · 9 years ago

but companies such as cocacola, and well, many many others, are researching things all the time for discoveries that benefit their company.

nananonymous · 9 years ago

That's great for solving known problems, like maybe Coke could estimate that reducing turbulence in their pipes in Warehouse ABC would save them a half million dollars a year. Then they can set aside money, maybe insure the project against failure, the insurance company has some idea what to charge them for such a policy, and so on.

But when Einstein was working on Relativity nobody could have foreseen what it would make possible. In that case the discovery was made and then eventually the business sector found a way to sell it, decades afterwards. Today we know what GPS makes possible so we know what it's worth, but in 1905 there was basically no market value for it.

nananonymous commented on CERN experiment discovers five new particles stfc.ac.uk/news/cern-expe... · Posted by u/musha68k

nananonymous · 9 years ago

I have a hard time seeing taxation as always theft. In a democratic society the public either is or was part of the decision on whether or not to fund things like the LHC. If society agrees to pay for it then by definition there's no coercion.

I think the LHC has over a dozen participating countries, each of which volunteered to be part of it. Ideally there should be checks and balances making sure a project of this scale is free from corruption.

nananonymous commented on CERN experiment discovers five new particles stfc.ac.uk/news/cern-expe... · Posted by u/musha68k

jamesdwilson · 9 years ago

Ask SpaceX, General Electric, and the thousands of other companies that rely heavily on science.

nananonymous · 9 years ago

That's the problem. They can't answer that question and neither can the market. The market is great at assigning value to things based on scarcity and demand, but there will never be scarcity of the Navier-Stokes equations because they can just be copied and shared so the market is useless for saying what they're worth.

And before a discovery is made literally nobody knows how it might change the world. I somehow doubt a thousand investors could have better predicted the future value of the transistor any better than the handful of electrical engineers working on that frontier.

nananonymous commented on When service members die by suicide, they look a lot like civilian suicides fivethirtyeight.com/featu... · Posted by u/curtis

whb07 · 9 years ago

The point of the article is to point out that the incidences of suicide in the military isn't disproportionate to civilians. This is something that's being blown out of proportion by the media and in return Congress pushes down DoD to make this a bigger issue than what it really is.

Furthermore, your relative is a grown adult who decided that he should stay the course and not see a therapist for his condition based on possible consequences on his career. Clearly this happens in every career where there are high rewards, in this case a life time pension(valued over $1mm). Well, shit guess what, he made to him what seems like the best choice.

For reference, look at a surgeon who is getting the shakes on his right hand or the NFL player hiding his broken collarbone injury during his free agent try outs. Or for a more military reference: the young guy hiding his fracture on X bone during selection phase for Y job. (doctor's typical question: "why didnt you come to us sooner when you knew something was wrong", clearly has no idea the drive and motivation behind the young man)

nananonymous · 9 years ago

I think the comments above are pointing out what appear to be perverse incentives surrounding seeking mental health resources. It raises the question of whether those incentives could be changed in a way that all parties would benefit.

nananonymous commented on Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting recode.net/2017/3/19/1497... · Posted by u/fluxic

nananonymous · 9 years ago

Meta: how can you write an article about Uber's president leaving and leave out the massive lawsuit from Google's parent company?

nananonymous commented on Scientists sent a rocket to Mars for less than it cost to make “The Martian” backchannel.com/isro-scie... · Posted by u/leslielemon

DanBC · 9 years ago

But that's the point - OP wasn't trying to have a discussion, OP was making the same tedious point that has been refuted countless times on HN, let alone elsewhere.

Every single time this discussion happens someone will make the same stupid point - "What about women in X?" or "What about men in Y?"

And every single time someone has already posted a link to a programme to increase the numbers of women in X or the numbers of men in Y.

It's dumb and it's lazy, especially so because this information is trivially easy to find.

> there's an orders of magnitude difference in how much effort goes towards getting women into safe and high-paying male-dominated jobs compared to dangerous low-paying male-dominated jobs.

CITATION NEEDED.

nananonymous · 9 years ago

Grandparent comment was saying "X is bigger than Y", saying "Y is not zero" misses the point.

sqeaky's comment offers an explanation. I don't fully agree with it but it's a productive step forward in a discussion. When you use words like ignorant, tedious, stupid, dumb and lazy while failing to refute the argument it doesn't make you or your side look any better. I look at sqeaky's comment and have to admit I can see where they're coming from, meanwhile I look at your comments and wonder why you think you've just knocked this one out of the park.

> CITATION NEEDED.

Do you really need proof that more effort is going towards getting women into jobs from Column A than Column B? You had to resort to linking one of your own comments from a middle-popularity post on a fairly small website from a year ago. I could easily find videos of world leaders saying "This is important"

But you can just clear your cookies, go to google and see how "women in ____" auto-completes, then see how many results each phrase gets. You may not see an "orders of magnitude" of difference but you won't be able to act like there's equal attention going in each direction either.

nananonymous commented on Scientists sent a rocket to Mars for less than it cost to make “The Martian” backchannel.com/isro-scie... · Posted by u/leslielemon

DanBC · 9 years ago

> As an aside, I don't hear many people complaining about the lack of diversity in other careers like plumbing, HVAC, or logging. Why do you think that is?

It's because you're not paying attention. All of those have been mentioned on HN before, and each of them have programmes to increase the diversity of the workforce.

Here's a post from a year ago that mentions forestry, and plumbing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11232237#11234613

nananonymous · 9 years ago

I expected that to be a post to an actual discussion, not a link to one of your own posts which nobody actually responded to.

It also sidesteps the point that there's an orders of magnitude difference in how much effort goes towards getting women into safe and high-paying male-dominated jobs compared to dangerous low-paying male-dominated jobs.