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namelessoracle commented on Chief justice centers Supreme Court annual report on AI's dangers   thehill.com/regulation/co... · Posted by u/thunderbong
ExoticPearTree · 2 years ago
You will need really trained people to review whatever the AI writes and also need to be able to check sources in case the AI hallucinates and starts referencing made up case law or precedents. So maybe paralegals will transform into reviewers or something similar.
namelessoracle · 2 years ago
this is how document review works now basically. It used to be lots of lawyers got hired to go through the documents, now AI does it, and flags things for actual lawyer to review (along with suggestions), so what was the work of a couple of dozen lawyers is like maybe 2.

this is one of the huge issues for the unemployed lawyer problem, as those jobs were the entry level for straight of school lawyers. I expect similar problems with dev roles coming soon.

namelessoracle commented on Chief justice centers Supreme Court annual report on AI's dangers   thehill.com/regulation/co... · Posted by u/thunderbong
ceejayoz · 2 years ago
> What is the equivalent of the nurse who can get you antibiotics in the US legal system?

A paralegal. In about half the US, said nurse practicioner must be working under a supervising doctor, just like the paralegal works under a supervising lawyer.

namelessoracle · 2 years ago
> In about half the US

So there isn't one.

namelessoracle commented on Chief justice centers Supreme Court annual report on AI's dangers   thehill.com/regulation/co... · Posted by u/thunderbong
Spooky23 · 2 years ago
Worse, judges are writing decisions and evaluating cases based on this.

The problem is that we’re going to have people litigating court cases and stupid bureaucratic nonsense within companies by lobbing nonsense that nobody has read at each other. Everyone will wink and nod, but these organizations and institutions will be exponentially more clueless.

As technologists, it’s easy to shrug. What do you do when a judge takes your kid away after using an LLM to read and interpret bullshit generated case notes that a CPS worker generated with another LLM?

namelessoracle · 2 years ago
This already happens to an extent though?

Replace LLM with "clerk" and "generated case notes" with "copy pasted from my standard legally approved phrasing" playbook. Government workers who fill out standard reports already have standard forms pre filled with the results they know they are landing out, with certain sections that differ ready to be edited while the rest stays the same, look at things like warrants as an example. When I worked a government job i was literally handed templates by my supervisor of "pre approved ways to phrase things", that they percieved would help avoid lawsuits or any contest.

namelessoracle commented on Chief justice centers Supreme Court annual report on AI's dangers   thehill.com/regulation/co... · Posted by u/thunderbong
ClarityJones · 2 years ago
> Lawyers being lawyers have immediately reached to "make it illegal" and setting up protections for their trade like they always done.

The legal field does not have a strong cartel at the moment.

In 1940 and in 1970, the population of lawyers was about .13-.16% of people in the US. Currently, it's 3x higher at .39%... after 3 years of declining numbers.

The market is saturated. Large numbers of lawyers can't find enough work, or have moved to other fields.

Edit: Link to report: https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/year-end/2023year-en...

namelessoracle · 2 years ago
Try setting up a business for something relatively minor like helping people contest a traffic ticket (no representing them in court) and see what happens. You dont need a full legal education to do basic contestation of traffic tickets, but the legal system requires it.

There is a plethora of things that are minor, don't require going to court, and can be handled via bog standard forms and documents that are just "replace the names" and that lawyers have their paralegals do for them in their entirety. But the paralegal cant go into business on their own can they?

What is the equivalent of the nurse who can get you antibiotics in the US legal system?

namelessoracle commented on Chief justice centers Supreme Court annual report on AI's dangers   thehill.com/regulation/co... · Posted by u/thunderbong
namelessoracle · 2 years ago
For all the consternation about Copilot and AI coding tools, its looking like legal work is as much if not more setup for disruption.

Document review is already being done by AI, lawyers are using AI to beef up closing arguments and review arguments, AI researchers to go through the relevant cases for citations have been worked on for awhile.

Lawyers being lawyers have immediately reached to "make it illegal" and setting up protections for their trade like they always done. Roberts is commenting that they are going to be disappointed if they think they can get legal protections that X or Y must always be done by a human.

namelessoracle commented on Dianne Feinstein has died   nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us... · Posted by u/Kaibeezy
seydor · 2 years ago
Why does someone want to have power over others at 90
namelessoracle · 2 years ago
A lot of them can't step down. They have debts that to repay that require them to stay in that position (both financial debts, and political ones), or family members who can only continue doing what they are doing if they stay in that position. Say a small family business that consistently gets works, but only to curry favor with the Senator. They quit, their grandchildren's business takes a dive, so the family begs them to stay on.

In Feinstein's case, its pretty clear she was forced to stay on by her party while they made arrangements for her successor, there is a lot of people and factions in California who want her seat in the Democratic party.

Also the competency crisis is real, alot of them dont have successors. Often by their own actions in an attempt to consolidate power, but they've left the field barren now thats its time for them to leave.

namelessoracle commented on Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games (2010)   educationandstatistics.bl... · Posted by u/luu
revolvingocelot · 2 years ago
>Recently, these unions succeeded to lowering testing standards for graduation in blue states to mask the worse job they’re doing teaching our kids

The link provided shows that, in fact, the union opposed the change. This claim is a bald faced lie, and lies should be downvoted on HN.

namelessoracle · 2 years ago
what union opposed the change? The Alliance group mentioned is not a Union of teachers. https://www.aqeny.org/

Unions aren't mentioned at all in the article. Your claim is also a bald faced lie. More so than the OP. This article supports OP's claim https://nypost.com/2023/03/16/nys-education-leaders-again-pr..., I can trivially find other articles from other sources where the New York teachers union has made it clear they dont find how they are evaluated by test scores acceptable. That may even be a reasonable position to have. There is more data out their to support OPs claim than yours that they are against it.

namelessoracle commented on Fidelity deepens valuation cut for Reddit and Discord   techcrunch.com/2023/06/30... · Posted by u/jmsflknr
hotpotamus · 2 years ago
I feel like Somethingawful figured it out 25 years ago. You can read a slightly censored version of the site for free, but if you want to post and read the swear words, it'll be $10. If you mouth off too bad and get banned, that's another $10. I guess it doesn't scale to world-eating business size, but I gladly sent them $10.
namelessoracle · 2 years ago
have you checked the current state of somethingawful?
namelessoracle commented on Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases   kotaku.com/reddit-third-p... · Posted by u/isaacfrond
dageshi · 3 years ago
I imagine that requires a level of effort that volunteer mods just don't have the time or inclination for.
namelessoracle · 3 years ago
Many of the moderators get paid. Just not by reddit.
namelessoracle commented on Parenting tech opens the door to state surveillance   wired.com/story/how-paren... · Posted by u/samclemens
rightbyte · 3 years ago
You are very correct. The slippery bathroom is also the place you want an alarm system ...
namelessoracle · 3 years ago
24/7 surveillance except where/when you need it to the most sums up so much of our world today.

u/namelessoracle

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