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mgrthrow commented on An experimental program in Austria that creates work for the unemployed   newyorker.com/news/annals... · Posted by u/cocacola1
thriftwy · 3 years ago
In Soviet Union, they were.

Among other things, universal employment shown to do the same as no employment: a lot of people binge drinking and not caring to do anything useful with their life. Work ethic problems surfaced in a bad way.

mgrthrow · 3 years ago
The soviets also had the problem that they were an autocracy who had little regard for the conditions of their people.

They were also huge. Community level programs like this can be much more functionally democratic and uplifting.

mgrthrow commented on An experimental program in Austria that creates work for the unemployed   newyorker.com/news/annals... · Posted by u/cocacola1
cocacola1 · 3 years ago
These two paragraphs in particular stuck out to me:

> Critics of labor-market programs such as the Job Guarantee argue that they enable precisely this sort of choice—they make it easier to decline work that one doesn’t like. One program participant in his thirties told me that, while on unemployment benefits, he’d been offered a job cleaning toilets at a gas station; he’d decided that he didn’t want “that sort of job,” and had instead found work in the carpentry workshop. If everyone were guaranteed a reasonably pleasant job, suited to their interests and needs and paying a living wage, who would do the grungy, difficult work? Austrian employers, like those in America, are currently having difficulty hiring people to take hard, poorly paid jobs; many of the workers in Austria who wash dishes or clean hotel rooms are immigrants from Eastern Europe, and during the pandemic many of them went home, some for good. Jörg Flecker, a sociologist at the University of Vienna who is evaluating the program in Gramatneusiedl, told me that pressure from employers could prevent its expansion across Austria. “Employers say, ‘There are so many unemployed. We have to have a tougher regime for them because we have jobs to fill.’ ”

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> Lukas Lehner and Maximilian Kasy, economists at Oxford who are evaluating data from Gramatneusiedl, argue that competition with the private sector is a good thing. “I think, from an economic perspective, that argument doesn’t make much sense,” Kasy said, of the dirty-jobs view. “If they’re shit jobs, try to pay them as well as possible. Try to change the working conditions as much as possible until you reach the point that somebody wants to do them, or automate them if you can. And then, if nobody wants to do them, maybe we shouldn’t do them.” Kasy thinks that an important function of initiatives like job guarantees—and of universal basic incomes—is to improve the bargaining positions of people who want to change their lives. “Whether it’s abuse from an employment relationship, a bureaucrat in the welfare state, or a romantic relationship, the question is, What’s your outside option?” he said. “Having the safety of the basic income or a guaranteed job improves your outside option. If your boss is abusive, or doesn’t respect your hours, or is harassing you or whatever, you have the option to say no.”

mgrthrow · 3 years ago
This is the classic answer to the classic question about anarchy:

"who will do the unpleasant, demeaning work?"

"We only think it's unpleasant because we make it unpleasant. We can have clean, well lit factories. We just have to prioritize making that work more pleasant."

mgrthrow commented on Keep Your Identity Small (2009)   paulgraham.com/identity.h... · Posted by u/memorable
mdp2021 · 3 years ago
> who call themselves

In which sense? Because 'queer' means "eccentric" - many would describe as that. For that matter, people call themselves "gay" for "joyous".

Incidentally: the queer use of 'queer' predates that of 'gay' (just a piece of trivia).

mgrthrow · 3 years ago
Of course queer as "unusual" predates "queer" as gay. :D It's a reclaimed slur. It was a negative label applied to people who ultimately decided to make that negative label a part of their identity.
mgrthrow commented on The Right to Be Lazy (1883)   marxists.org/archive/lafa... · Posted by u/mitchbob
dicethrowaway1 · 3 years ago
A good elaboration of this point is Greg Dow's "Governing the Firm" and "The Labor-Managed Firm".

In short, worker-owned businesses are rare because individual workers are poor (relative to the capital that's needed) and they can't get external funding because the investors want control in return, which labor management can't provide.

That's why most large-scale worker-owned businesses are part of a federation supported by a bank - e.g. Mondragon's Caja Laboral. Institutional design indeed does matter.

mgrthrow · 3 years ago
Funding is a huge part, for sure, but also getting incorporated. Talk to a lawyer and your state about founding an LLC or sole proprietorship. Ezpz. Done in an hour.

Talk about founding a workers co-op that's democratically run? With shares issued to each worker? There's just no template for it. It's days of work to get it over the line.

mgrthrow commented on Keep Your Identity Small (2009)   paulgraham.com/identity.h... · Posted by u/memorable
mdp2021 · 3 years ago
> which I would assume include

Wrong assumption. We do not necessarily "identify". All those terms in that list can be fully avoided as identifications. No, it is not normal to be "identified" with any of that.

mgrthrow · 3 years ago
Would the author say, "I am a ..." and end with any of the above? If so, they identify as that group.

That's what identity is, it's the set of things you consider yourself to be. "I am" and "I consider myself to be" are very simple clauses.

How big or small a part you decide to make your identities part of your personality is up to you, but like, they are still part of your identity.

mgrthrow commented on Keep Your Identity Small (2009)   paulgraham.com/identity.h... · Posted by u/memorable
hypoqtech · 3 years ago
I'm not sure it is a fact, I mean, these days there are heterosexual people who call themselves queer.
mgrthrow · 3 years ago
Well, queer encompasses more than just gay and lesbian people.

Non-binary people can be queer, heterosexual trans people can be queer, asexual people can be queer. Same with polyamorous people.

mgrthrow commented on Keep Your Identity Small (2009)   paulgraham.com/identity.h... · Posted by u/memorable
philwelch · 3 years ago
"Queer" is a vague identity with political connotations, by which I mean, the gay people who call themselves "queer" tend to be a lot more woke-leftist than the gay people who don't call themselves "queer". It's absolutely an idea and a constructed identity. The facts of the matter are things like sexual preferences and behaviors, but you don't inherently need to construct an identity around them. On the other hand, sometimes you need to be aware that even if you don't identify yourself, you will be identified by others, which you're going to have to deal with.
mgrthrow · 3 years ago
I think you've both got the right answer and explained it with a very negative framing.

Gender and Sexual Minority, LGBTQ+, and queer all describe a largely similar set of folks.

Queer arose not from "woke-leftist" spaces, but grew out of 70s and 80s radical gay and trans spaces - groups like the Gay Liberation Front - who were willing to fight back (violently if necessary) against violence and discrimination.

Queer is absolutely a political identity, a framing of ones gender or sexual identity. They intersect with one another. It's not unlike "I eat only plants" vs "I'm vegan", they mean roughly the same thing until you hit contexts where they don't.

mgrthrow commented on Keep Your Identity Small (2009)   paulgraham.com/identity.h... · Posted by u/memorable
gardenhedge · 3 years ago
Labels can be both self-imposed and given. A self-imposed label is one that a person chooses to use to describe themselves or their experiences. For example, someone might choose to use the label "vegan" to describe their dietary habits because they feel that it accurately reflects their values and beliefs. On the other hand, a given label is one that is applied to a person or group by someone else. For example, a teacher might use the label "gifted" to describe a student who excels in a particular subject. In this case, the label is not chosen by the student, but is applied to them by the teacher.

You're missing the point of the article by discussing given labels.

mgrthrow · 3 years ago
I use the label queer as a self selected one. (Not self imposed, it's not an impression.)

Queer is not the same as LGBTQ+ (queer is more overly political). My identity is both given and self selected.

mgrthrow commented on Keep Your Identity Small (2009)   paulgraham.com/identity.h... · Posted by u/memorable
Kye · 3 years ago
LGBTQ+ (and variations) are more category than label. We combine our powers because we're all too tiny to deal with all the labels and violence foisted upon us alone. Whether you can choose one of the labels is a matter of debate within the category. For most of us, it's like breathing air for the first time: "oh, I'm not alone in this. Other people feel this way, and they've fought all these battles so I don't have to start from 0." To choose it without that experience is kind of weird, but I don't personally have a problem with it in most cases.
mgrthrow · 3 years ago
A hundred percent this. I'm not a lesbian, but I'm going to the mat if needed to protect lesbians. We protect us.

u/mgrthrow

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