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mathgradthrow commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
sentrysapper · 4 days ago
My grandfather was a crop duster pilot in the 60s-70s. He died of Parkinson's almost 4 years ago today. He is the only one in my family to succumb to this disease. For a brief moment I was relieved to know there was some explanation for his suffering.

Then I read the HN comments. It is beyond infuriating to read a well researched paper with 1300 open cases legal with overwhelming evidence only to be met with "zero chance this is real."

mathgradthrow · a day ago
I don't think you would know a well researched paper if it bit you. Legal cases are only evidence that there is money to be made in litigation.
mathgradthrow commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
tredre3 · 4 days ago
Skepticism is healthy. You've found that the numbers don't make sense at face value. The problem is that you stopped there, you haven't even made any attempt at reconciling them with the original claim.

What if the US number of 1 in 400 figure is that high precisely because it includes people exposed to pesticide? In other words, maybe the number would be 1 in 500 if it weren't for Paraquat? You'd have to look at concentration maps or at the very least check what's the diagnosis rates in other countries before you can truly dismiss the claim, imho.

mathgradthrow · a day ago
>The problem is that you stopped there, you haven't even made any attempt at reconciling them with the original claim.

What are you talking about? I've done all the diligence that is due. If you want to convince me, you have to actually present your evidence. When you do present evidence, I'm free to assume that the evidence you've presented is your best evidence.

The article starts with a story about an 83 year old farmer with Parkinsons. I'm not going to continue reading after that point. An 83 year old with Parkinsons is not an anomaly, his existence is not evidence of anything. I'm not required to look beyond this point, and I'm absolutely free to comment about that. This is reasonable skepticism. I am not claiming evidence of absence, I'm claiming absence of evidence.

But fine, if you want to look for evidence of absence, then as you say, We need look no further than a random country where paraquat is banned. Paraquat is banned in germany, and there are 80 million people in germany, go google how many of them have Parkinson's disease.

If you are trying to convince me of an effect so small that you cannot even come up with one anomalous Parkinson's case to write a story about, then I don't care.

mathgradthrow commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
zamadatix · 4 days ago
I'm not saying you have to believe it, just that rhetorically asking if it's more than 5,000 in the US is redundant when the article already says there are more than that many individual cases about it in a single district court.
mathgradthrow · 4 days ago
I drastically underestimated the number of farmers, who skew older. This is very unlikely to be anything.
mathgradthrow commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
zamadatix · 4 days ago
The article already talks to the numbers they mean and what scale they believe it to be:

> More than 6,400 lawsuits against Syngenta and Chevron that allege a link between paraquat and Parkinson’s are pending in the U.S. District Court of Southern Illinois. Another 1,300 cases have been brought in Pennsylvania, 450 in California and more are scattered throughout state courts.

> “I do think it’s important to be clear that number is probably not even close to representative of how many people have been impacted by this,” said Christian Simmons, a legal expert for Drugwatch.

mathgradthrow · 4 days ago
There are hundreds of pictures of the Loch Ness monster.
mathgradthrow commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
mathgradthrow · 4 days ago
1 in 400 US citizens is diagnosed with parkinsons, if by "thousands", this headline means 5000, then 1 in 2000 US farmers has Parkinson's. Stop it.
mathgradthrow commented on Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri   reuters.com/world/us/rubi... · Posted by u/italophil
miltonlost · 9 days ago
Is it "signalling" when the left's change was for an accessibility reason, to enable more people to be able to easily read? Signaling means there's no tangible benefit to the change, so the Blinken's switch to a sans-serif font would not be signaling.

Rubio, however, specifically pointed out the symbolic (and malicious) gesture of his whole switch back to Times New Roman.

The left didn't react pettily. Please stop thinking the left are the right are the same when the facts show they are not. The left's change was for a demonstrative benefit. The right is doing it so fuck over people. You think these are the same.

mathgradthrow · 8 days ago
>Is it "signalling" when the left's change was for an accessibility reason, to enable more people to be able to easily read?

Uh, yes.

mathgradthrow commented on Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri   reuters.com/world/us/rubi... · Posted by u/italophil
mathgradthrow · 8 days ago
Here's the actual memo, in case you want to read it yourself and form your own conclusions:

https://daringfireball.net/misc/2025/12/state-department-ret...

mathgradthrow commented on Zero knowlege proof of compositeness   johndcook.com/blog/2025/1... · Posted by u/ColinWright
ColinWright · 18 days ago
No, that is not the case. The process does not rely on a third party.

Person A provides person B with the graph.

Person B claims to have coloured it.

Person A demands that they prove it.

Person B hides the colouring

Repeatedly:

* Person A points at an edge

* Person B reveals that the endpoints are differently coloured

* Person B re-hides the colouring and permutes the colours

If person B does not have a colouring, with probability 1 this process will fail and person A will know that person B does not have a colouring.

But if person B does have a colouring then each step will succeed, and by repeating the process person A can achieve any desired degree of confidence that person B must, indeed, have a colouring.

This process can be made digital rather than physical, and no third party need be involved. As a sketch of one step:

* Person B colours the graph

* For each vertex, person B generates a long random string, pre-pends the colour, applies a cryptographically strong hash function to that, and sends the result to A. This "Fixes and hides" the colouring

* Person A asked for two "colours" to be revealed

* Person B provide the associated "colour and random string"s, the pre-images of the requested hashes

* Person A checks the hashes and now knows the colours of those two vertices.

Should I write this up "properly"? It's already discussed elsewhere on the 'net.

mathgradthrow · 16 days ago
Ok, I still contend that this is not a ZKP without the hashing scheme, but I agree that with the hashing scheme, it is.
mathgradthrow commented on Zero knowlege proof of compositeness   johndcook.com/blog/2025/1... · Posted by u/ColinWright
ColinWright · 20 days ago
I can certainly explain it more, a question of "better" is debatable!

Here's the process:

(A) You give me a graph to 3-colour;

(B) I claim I can 3-colour it;

(C) You demand that I prove it;

(D) I colour it with colours ABC and cover the vertices;

(E) You point at an edge;

(F) I reveal the colours of the vertices at the ends of the edge;

(G) If I have coloured the graph then the colours revealed will always be different;

(H) We repeat this process with a permutation of the colours between each trial;

(I) If I'm lying then eventually you'll pick an edge where either the vertices are not coloured, or the have the same colour.

(J) This process reveals nothing about the colouring, but proves (to some level of confidence) that I'm telling the truth.

So ... what's unclear?

Instructions on how to email me are in my profile if you prefer ...

mathgradthrow · 18 days ago
Ah, I see. This is not an example of a ZKP, because you are relying on a third party who has full knowledge of the coloring, which is wherever you have drawn your coloring.
mathgradthrow commented on Zero knowlege proof of compositeness   johndcook.com/blog/2025/1... · Posted by u/ColinWright
ColinWright · 20 days ago
My understanding is that there is a difference between the concept of a Zero-Knowledge Proof (ZKP), and then the applications that such a thing is possible.

In the example given, I can prove that N is composite without revealing anything (well, almost anything) about the factors. But in practice we want to use a ZKP to show that I have specific knowledge without revealing the knowledge itself.

For example:

You can give me a graph, and I can claim that I can three-colour it. You may doubt this, but there is a process by which I can ... to any desired level of confidence ... demonstrate that I have a colouring, without revealing what the colouring is. I colour the vertices RGB, map those colours randomly to ABC, and cover all the vertices. You choose any edge, and I reveal the "colours" (from ABC) of the endpoints. If I really can colour the graph then I will always be able to reveal two different colours. If I can't colour the graph then as we do this more and more, eventually I will fail.

So you are right, but the message of the post is, I think, still useful and relevant.

mathgradthrow · 20 days ago
can you explain this a little better?

u/mathgradthrow

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