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matai_kolila commented on Discord’s Creator Portal   discord.com/creators... · Posted by u/paulshen
Netisneverfree · 3 years ago
> The early net worked much the same way as a personal network between friends. If you wanted to join, you could run your own cable to someone who was connected; charging for connections and data transfer came much later. Of course someone had to rig and maintain a cable (or make regular phone connections, or what have you), and wires don't grow on trees, but this wasn't on a commercial basis in the early days; it was a research project for some but mostly just a thing cool people did; those who could contributed and those who couldn't didn't, like a potluck.

That's called a Local Area Network, or LAN. Not internet.

> Nonsense; 1993 is decades into the development of the net.

That was not the 'Internet' either. That was ARPAnet, which is also not the same as 'the internet'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

To be fair though, this is much closer to the internet we ended up with than the prior mentioned LAN (Local Area Network).

And to be fair again, you could technically make your own internet or maybe more accurately 'intranet' via LAN, but it still would not be the world wide internet as we knew it back then, or today.

> The government was one entity among many that ran parts of the net in some countries. They may have ran the biggest and most important connections, but they weren't the whole thing; the whole point of the net is that it's a network, with no single point of failure.

Let me tell you about backbone connections then. If those go down, basically everyone's internet is down. Depends on which ones, which goes hand in hand with your comment here; but ultimately if the right backbones connections go down, it may as well be a shut down of the entire internet since many areas won't be able to access other areas networks; and due to the massive influx of people trying to figure out what's going on, a sort of DDoS of sorts will ensue from all those attempts to connect to whatever else remains online. If it can be connected to at all. For example, Google. Google has world wide servers, and thus can be connected to from almost anywhere. But if the backbones are down, then only local connections might be able to ping google. Pinging google is a typical way for people to test if they have a working connection. That or cloudflare with 1.1.1.1 for a quick ping test when google isn't the quick resort. The point?

Well, if everyone starts trying to ping the only connections available to their area, then those servers better be able to take that sudden congestion, which will result in the internet essentially going down for everyone. There are caveats I admit, but the point here is that the internet is not quite as failure redundant as you seem to think it is. If it was, we would have cellular backhaul being used to ensure that at least basic connections can be made for information purposes and emergencies. But that would require world wide 5G and 6G cellular to be used. Which I guarantee you would not be free.

> Nah, the government takes what it can and sometimes pays for things, but there's no real connection between those two actions. Government-provided stuff is free.

Truth be told, I understand your reticence to agree with this, since the way governments do things in different countries can make this difficult to talk about. But the basic premise is this. The government's coffers are filled via 2 main sources. Taxes, and Investments of some sort. A 3rd form exists in the case of lobbying and bribes, but that's a different beast all together.

In general, public services tend to be paid for via the taxes the government takes from our pocket, and so regardless of what name is attached to that money given, like in the case of America with its department of defense; that money did ultimately contain some portion or majority made up of tax payer money.

But to say there is no real connection between these two actions just shows me that you may need to expand your thinking on this subject matter, because it's more nuanced than you seem to think, if you think government provided stuff is free.

It's not. That money paying for it comes from us all in some form or another.

That said, there is a caveat here as well. America providing internet to North America did mean that Canadians getting to use the connections at the earliest points would have been getting something of a free service to some degree; since Canadians like me didn't really put money into that via our taxes. But through trade agreements and other such things, our government probably did contribute to it in some way; and so our taxes did contribute in some manner. It's hard to say without going through all the fine point details. But suffice to say; nothing government provides is truly free. It's paid for somehow. Even if they just print off more dollars, we pay for that printing via inflation and higher costs due to it.

Nothing, is free.

matai_kolila · 3 years ago
Do you know what a Gish gallop is?

With a new account you lack the credibility for me to trust that's not what you're doing here with these very long comments.

Ironic, coming from me, but I make new accounts for privacy reasons, not each time I want to make a comment.

matai_kolila commented on Ticketmaster's tech problem isn't a tech problem   mattstoller.substack.com/... · Posted by u/passwordoops
Cederfjard · 3 years ago
I think Enginerrrd is saying that there could be a larger supply of other artists, that would satiate fans and make the demand for any one performer less impossible to meet. I’m not sure I think that’s true, but that’s my interpretation of their argument.
matai_kolila · 3 years ago
Yeah I guess my point is a theory of constraints argument; Taylor Swift herself is the constraint, nothing else will matter.

People seem to be ignoring or forgetting that basic idea.

matai_kolila commented on Ticketmaster's tech problem isn't a tech problem   mattstoller.substack.com/... · Posted by u/passwordoops
Enginerrrd · 3 years ago
I think you're neglecting to consider the cooling effect ticketmaster has on supply by being a monopoly. If there were more independent venues, and artists were better compensated, then far more middle tier artists could support themselves full-time, likely creating more supply of top-tier performers.

Instead, ALL monopolies have an incentive to minimize supply and maximize price. So of course demand exceeds supply.

matai_kolila · 3 years ago
The cooling effect on supply?? You mean Taylor Swift's inability to be in two places at once and unwillingness to drive her voice into the ground by continuing to add more concert dates?

No, this is not the right argument. She had to go with the biggest venues in the US to fit as many people as possible, and she's already added a ton of extra dates.

There is a fundamental limit to the number of people who can attend this tour, and that number is lower than the number of people who want to attend this tour, therefore prices will go up until the demand for tickets matches the supply of tickets.

Independent venues would not have made a lick of difference in this case, these ticket prices would be sky high no matter who was selling them.

matai_kolila commented on Ticketmaster's tech problem isn't a tech problem   mattstoller.substack.com/... · Posted by u/passwordoops
amilios · 3 years ago
The concern with Ticketmaster is the monopoly though, you are sidestepping the issue. It's about what kind of value Ticketmaster adds (minimal) to justify the exhorbitant fees they charge and can charge, because they have no competition due to all their exclusive contracts with the venues.
matai_kolila · 3 years ago
Sure, but that's not why The Eras Tour tickets were so expensive, which is the real reason Taylor Swift fans are upset.

Yes, TM has a concerning amount of control over venues and therefore artists, but in this scenario, that's not very relevant, given the insane demand and the basic physics problem involved with trying to stuff 12 million people into spaces (at a time) that hold a total of maybe 2.

It's just weird to me how we can't separate the issues. TM's main insult to the Swifties were the technical issues, not their potential monopoly. Ticket prices would be insane regardless.

matai_kolila commented on Ticketmaster's tech problem isn't a tech problem   mattstoller.substack.com/... · Posted by u/passwordoops
matai_kolila · 3 years ago
Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't really see a problem with ticket prices being as high as they are.

There is much more demand for these tickets than there are supply of tickets, so my econ 101 tells me the price should go up until the demand drops to match the supply.

Any other argument just feels like sour grapes from folks who don't have the means to buy this luxury item.

Separately, Ticketmaster's monopoly is concerning, but in this case I don't see that impacting prices. In fact it seems like Ticketmaster did try to do a handful of things to artificially lower ticket prices, those things just were not effective due to technical issues (so the article title may be wrong).

Music fans like to moralize about how they "deserve" to go to concerts, but the reality is nobody deserves to go anywhere; attending a concert is not something you must do in order to survive. It's not even a thing you must do in order to enjoy an artist's music or support that artist. There is absolutely no imperative or necessity to attend this tour, and in cases like that I have no problem with pricing matching demand and supply pretty directly.

matai_kolila commented on 'Nobody Wants to Work Anymore' Meme Cites Real Newspaper Articles   snopes.com/fact-check/nob... · Posted by u/sohkamyung
karaterobot · 3 years ago
One of the fallacies I find most annoying is "people said this thing in the past, too" with the implication being that it wasn't true then, isn't true now, and can probably never be true. None of those things follow.

To be clear, I think the statement "nobody wants to work anymore" is incorrect. But that's irrelevant, I'm talking about the quality of the argument.

matai_kolila · 3 years ago
I think the implication can more aptly be stated as, "We survived this sentiment then, we can survive this sentiment now."
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mensetmanusman · 3 years ago
I disagree, because this mindset leads to what happened under Mao where anything against the party was punishable and family members would turn you in.
matai_kolila · 3 years ago
What? No. That's the government acting in response to speech, not other people expressing themselves.

Your argument forgets that it's also free speech to react to something objectionable. If the government forced me to do business with you without my consent, that would be compelled association, which is more similar to how Mao's government behaved in the 50s.

matai_kolila commented on Discord’s Creator Portal   discord.com/creators... · Posted by u/paulshen
natdempk · 3 years ago
I think the way this will work out in practice is basically how the bridges between Patreon + Discord already work, but with better integration to Discord features. Basically the way most of these work today is if you become a Patron you get a role and get added to some private discord channels with other subscribers, but the base server remains accessible to all. This makes sense from a marketing/activity/alignment perspective for everyone and seems likely to continue. Some creators have Discord servers only accessible to subscribers/Patrons already, and there wouldn't be a change there. I think the reality is that nothing really changes here wrt. server operating structures and that a bunch of stuff just becomes more tightly integrated/featured on the Discord side so Discord can make money off it.
matai_kolila · 3 years ago
My assumption here is that this is built to replace Patreon entirely.

"Sub to my Discord or sub to my Patreon to get exclusive content!" eventually becomes, "Sub to my Discord to get exclusive content!" and cuts out Patreon entirely.

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