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madrox commented on "Good engineering management" is a fad   lethain.com/good-eng-mgmt... · Posted by u/jkbyc
jaredklewis · 23 days ago
I like your thinking about this problem.

What if teams were integrated groups of engineers, designers, and product people, managed by polymaths with at least some skill in all of these areas. In this case, do you think it would be easier to evaluate the team’s (and thus the manager’s) performance and then higher levels of management would care less about processes and management philosophy?

madrox · 23 days ago
You're describing the GM (general manager) model, sometimes called the single threaded leader. This does work well in large scale organizations...especially ones where teams are built around projects and outcomes but exist for a finite time. Video game development tends to have this model.

I tend to believe in this model because when I've seen it in action, bad GMs are quickly identified and replaced for the betterment of the project.

It can be challenging to implement for a few reasons.

- It is difficult for a GM to performance manage across all disciplines. This model works best when you aren't interested in talent development.

- It's bad for functional consistency. GMs are focused on their own outcomes and can make the "ship your org chart" problem worse. It requires strong functional gatekeepers as a second-order discipline.

madrox commented on "Good engineering management" is a fad   lethain.com/good-eng-mgmt... · Posted by u/jkbyc
Aeolun · 23 days ago
> I don't understand why there is so much disdain for it.

I do. It’s often done by people that become tyrants over their little fiefdom.

madrox · 23 days ago
That's usually a consequence of bad incentives. Either leadership is selecting for that kind of behavior in managers or they don't know how to properly unselect for it.

If a bunch of crap code gets shipped, it isn't always because the engineers are bad. Often it's because they were given a bad deadline. Same with EMs.

madrox commented on "Good engineering management" is a fad   lethain.com/good-eng-mgmt... · Posted by u/jkbyc
madrox · 23 days ago
I worry a lot about fads in engineering management. Any time you proscribe process over outcomes you create performative behavior and bad incentives in any discipline. In my observation, this tends to happen in engineering because senior leaders have no idea how to evaluate EMs in a non-performative way or as a knee-jerk to some broader cultural behavior. I think this is why you see many successful, seasoned EMs become political animals over time.

My suspicion about why this is the case is rooted in the responsibilities engineering shares with product and design at the management level. In an environment where very little unilateral decision making can be made by an EM, it is difficult to know if an outcome is because the EM is doing well or because of the people around them. I could be wrong, but once you look high enough in the org chart to no longer see trios, this problem recedes.

The author really got me thinking about the timeless aspects of the role underlying fads. I have certainly noticed shifts in management practice at companies over my career, but I choose to believe the underlying philosophy is timeless, like the relationship between day to day software engineering and computer science.

I worry about the future of the EM discipline. Every decade or so, it seems like there is a push to eliminate the function altogether, and no one can agree on the skillset. And yet like junior engineers, this should be the function that grows future leadership. I don't understand why there is so much disdain for it.

madrox commented on Where's the AI design Renaissance?   learnui.design/blog/where... · Posted by u/tobr
nitwit005 · 2 months ago
One of the bigger design battles at a prior company was designers insisting on pull to refresh, and the researchers insisting on removing it due to customer feedback.
madrox · 2 months ago
what did they want to do with pull down instead?
madrox commented on Where's the AI design Renaissance?   learnui.design/blog/where... · Posted by u/tobr
madrox · 2 months ago
Design moves at the speed of culture; not technology. It took 3 years of people messing with mobile phones before it occurred to someone to implement "pull down to refresh" and much longer for it to be common practice that people just expect from UX. I think people are still learning what they want from an AI experience.

I do think you have to be pretty targeted with your predictions, though. Consumer product design seems to be evolving differently from B2B and at a different pace. Growth curves are different for each.

madrox commented on Every vibe-coded website is the same page with different words. So I made that   vibe-coded.lol/... · Posted by u/todsacerdoti
madrox · 2 months ago
The whole thrust of anti-vibe UI sentiments remind me of when Twitter Bootstrap came out. The unlocks were huge because suddenly people who didn't know how to make nice looking UI didn't have to do much more than drop in a stylesheet link and add some classes. Despite that, everyone complained all web sites started looking the same.

And, sure, that was valid. However, eventually everyone started figuring out how to get a unique look out of Bootstrap while still enjoying the benefits. All our modern frontend component frameworks can trace their lineage back to Bootstrap.

We'll see something similar with vibe UIs. Just a matter of time.

madrox commented on Remember: Kurt Vonnegut Was 47   joanwestenberg.com/p/reme... · Posted by u/herbertl
tedggh · 3 months ago
Something we definitely lose when we age is lack of judgement, and with it the ability to play and experiment. I miss that naïveté and over confidence from my twenties knowing I was allowed to screw up.
madrox · 3 months ago
Is it really those things, or is it that as we get older we have something to lose? I could go live like I'm 20 again...reduce my spending to nothing, work all day on whatever I believe in...but that would cost me my family's comfort, and I rather like them.
madrox commented on Remember: Kurt Vonnegut Was 47   joanwestenberg.com/p/reme... · Posted by u/herbertl
saithound · 3 months ago
This piece seriously misrepresents Vonnegut's career just to make a dubious point.

Sure, Slaughterhouse Five was Vonnegut's big financial breakthrough, but by that time he was a very well-known writer with several classics, including Player Piano and Harrison Bergeron, and a Guggenheim Fellow, and made a decent living from writing full time. Not glamorous for sure, but in line with most very good writerd.

Far from demonstrating the author's thesis that "failure can ripen into art", his story is the story of a man that had no notable failures in writingy, who consistently produced great work, and continued to do so until he made it big.

madrox · 3 months ago
I don't see how what you're saying is at odds with the author. At no point did they say Vonnegut was a failure before Slaughthouse Five. Only that he, like many others, didn't produce their opus until later in life. This isn't just limited to writing. There are examples in all fields if you look, both creative and commercial. This idea is definitely at odds with a lot of current SV rhetoric.
madrox commented on Remember: Kurt Vonnegut Was 47   joanwestenberg.com/p/reme... · Posted by u/herbertl
madrox · 3 months ago
I think the people who need to hear this message are not in their late 40s, but are in their 20s thinking that they have to do it now or they never will. I see a lot of ageism on X from people who are clearly young and inexperienced, but when you actually get into the real world and how things are done you see the vast majority of real success happens later in life once you've been around a couple times.

Experience, on the whole, really does get you further than cleverness, but good luck telling that to the inexperienced.

madrox commented on The Bitter Lesson Is Misunderstood   obviouslywrong.substack.c... · Posted by u/JnBrymn
simianwords · 3 months ago
Why do you assume investors don’t know about this? They know some investments follow the power law - very few of them work out but they bring most value.

The very existence of openAI and Anthropic are proof of it happening.

Imagine you were an investor and you know what you know now (creativity can’t be predicted). How would you then invest in companies? Your answer might converge on existing VC strategies.

madrox · 3 months ago
I don't assume that at all. Investors absolutely know, but investment is predicated on returns. You can't do that if you can't give a timeline for when value will be generated unless your investment is so small it's practically a donation. Obviously you can invest in moonshots, but you don't want to bet your whole portfolio. Why do you think OpenAI had the governing structure it did before it made its breakthroughs but suddenly both them and Anthropic can do insane raises?

u/madrox

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