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logifail commented on The End of Handwriting   wired.com/story/the-end-o... · Posted by u/beardyw
odyssey7 · 5 days ago
As a CS student, the way I learned things I needed to memorize was by writing it down / copying / summarizing on paper and studying from that.

It’s a little ridiculous to reframe that a significant part of my education was an exercise in copying information over by hand, but it’s just true that this method reliably worked for me.

Also: my reading speed was ungodly slow. I think I considered it typical to spend 3 hours on 10 textbook pages. Sometimes it took longer. But the information stuck, and I knew it well.

logifail · 5 days ago
> it’s just true that this method reliably worked for me

It's not just you. My kids didn't want to hear it, but they're coming round to the benefits of writing notes during their learning.

Why Writing by Hand Is Better for Memory and Learning https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-writing-by-ha...

Why writing by hand beats typing for thinking and learning https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/11/1250529...

Advantage of Handwriting Over Typing on Learning Words https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8222525/

logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
jlokier · 5 days ago
DeepMind was founded in London, UK and still headquartered there, and is one of the leaders in the field..

Notable well-known things from DeepMind are AlphaGo (the first time a computer beat a world champion at Go), AlphaFold (resulting in a Nobel prize). Gemini (LLM, a variant of which is used in Google search results) and Gemma (open-weights LLMs).

They were acquired by Google, so you could argue they aren't centred in the UK any more, but I still think they qualify as international leadership in AI coming from the UK.

logifail · 5 days ago
> They were acquired by Google, so you could argue they aren't centred in the UK any more [..]

They've been acquired. There's nothing left to argue.

I was reading earlier today about how Kuka AG, the German mechanical engineering company, was sold to a Chinese investor in 2016. A fascinating story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KUKA

logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
klelatti · 5 days ago
> The registered HQ and a large research center are in London ...

> so the work is, in practical and legal senses, U.S.-based...

These two statements literally contradict each other in both cases.

logifail · 5 days ago
> These two statements literally contradict each other in both cases

Welcome to how multinational corporate entities structure their tax affairs!

You might like to start by reading

https://taxjustice.net/2024/11/06/corporate-tax-haven-index-...

although there are many others....

logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
shkkmo · 5 days ago
It's not just the HQ, the only AI researcher I know personally is an American who moved to London to work on AI with DeepMind well after the acquisition.
logifail · 5 days ago
The registered HQ and a large research center are in London, but ownership, executive control, substantial staffing, a big fraction of the training/serving compute, and the commercialization pathway run through Alphabet's U.S. operations, so the work is, in practical and legal senses, U.S.-based...

See also https://gwern.net/doc/reinforcement-learning/deepmind/2019-d...

"As part of a wider group reorganisation, the Company distributed intellectual property assets which had a nil book value to another group undertaking on 31 October 2019."

Honestly, claiming DeepMind is still some scrappy London-based startup is quite unfortunate :/

logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
vouwfietsman · 5 days ago
China, India and Vietnam absolutely lead in manufacturing iphones, yes.
logifail · 5 days ago
in manufacturing <-- did you notice this bit? :)

I was responding to the quote from Dame Wendy Hall claiming that that UK [has] "international leadership in AI"

logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
LeifCarrotson · 5 days ago
I'm sure representatives of those countries love to say so, especially when talking to third parties about their expertise in manufacturing: "Yes, here in Zhengzhou, CN we're leaders in electronics manufacturing - the iPhone is assembled here at Foxconn!"

However, Apple (headquartered in the US) loves to issue press releases describing how their products are "Designed by Apple in California[, USA]" even though a lot of work in the manufacturing, the software, and the design of subcomponents (or major components, I don't know how Apple is organized internally) are done in China, India and Vietnam as you listed.

I'd argue that in the same way that Shenzen and Zhengzhou are leaders in electronics assembly because the bulk of the iPhone and other products are built there, regardless of the location of the headquarters of Apple, so to can London claim to be a leader in AI because the researchers for DeepMind are located in London, regardless of who owns the DeepMind brand.

Buying a thing from another country doesn't make your location a leader in that thing.

logifail · 5 days ago
> "we're leaders in electronics manufacturing"

The UK wasn't claiming to be "leaders _in manufacturing_", they were claiming "international leadership in AI".

As I said elsewhere in the thread, citation needed...

logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
firefax · 5 days ago
Also in general Google satellite offices often house the engineers of acquired startups who don't want to move to the mothership. It's not their primary purpose but it's one of the things they use them for.
logifail · 5 days ago
> in general Google satellite offices often house the engineers of acquired startups who don't want to move to the mothership

Would it be unfair to ask if (in this instance the UK's) satellite country taxpayers are subsidising corporate offices when the overall structures are arranged such that any overall corporation tax payable will be paid in the lowest-possible jurisdiction?

See - for instance - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_tax_in_the_Republi...

logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
eab- · 5 days ago
a lot of the researchers are still in london
logifail · 5 days ago
I understand that iPhones are assembled in China, India and Vietnam. Would those countries issue press releases on "their leadership in iPhones"?
logifail commented on Staff disquiet as Alan Turing Institute faces identity crisis   theguardian.com/technolog... · Posted by u/glutamate
sobiolite · 5 days ago
DeepMind was founded and is still headquartered in London.
logifail · 5 days ago
"DeepMind Technologies Limited, trading as Google DeepMind or simply DeepMind, is a British–American artificial intelligence research laboratory which serves as a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. Founded in the UK in 2010, it was acquired by Google in 2014 and merged with Google AI's Google Brain division to become Google DeepMind in April 2023"

Q: Is the HQ nominally being in London at all relevant given it was acquired by Alphabet/Google? I'm sure the accountants have the tax status all sorted by now...

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