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kartan commented on 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now slate.com/technology/2019... · Posted by u/evo_9

lixtra · 6 years ago

I doubt it’s that one dimensional. One could point out that making things equal results in (edit) even more terror (as most former communists countries prove). Of course that reasoning would ignore the Scandinavian “exception“.

kartan · 6 years ago

> Imminent threats and specific calls to violence are a different matter.

More equality does not mean communism or everybody gets exactly the same. You position is just a straw man argument.

> Scandinavian

Scandinavian countries are social democracies, like most of Europe, they are not community countries. And are no exception but good examples of implementing good policies.

kartan commented on 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now slate.com/technology/2019... · Posted by u/evo_9

Causality1 · 6 years ago

Oh, I'm not saying find a screenshot because it encourages them less, I'm saying find a screenshot because if you go there you risk being mentally scarred, to say nothing if someone sees it in your internet history or you're dumb enough to visit it on a corporate network or work laptop/phone. That would be a well-deserved firing, if not for being a racist then for being a moron.

>Why are we sparing white-nationalist propaganda?

Racist propaganda doesn't violate anyone's rights and is hence protected speech. Imminent threats and specific calls to violence are a different matter.

kartan · 6 years ago

> Imminent threats and specific calls to violence are a different matter.

That is what I find disturbing. That general threads and calls to violence are ok. That threatening your neighbor is ok meanwhile you do not set a date and a time for the violence.

Finally, if I say that Coca-Cola causes cancer the Coca-Cola Company can sue me for lying. But, if I lie about your race is on because it only affects men, women and children economy, well-being and dignity but no corporation bottom line is hurt.

It seems that free of expression has some intriguing limitation when is convenient for some. Don't you think that racist propaganda may be protected because historical reasons and not any logic or benevolent intention?

kartan commented on 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now slate.com/technology/2019... · Posted by u/evo_9

Causality1 · 6 years ago

One feels compelled to point out that, despite 8chan being a breeding ground of hate, threads by mass shooters are typically removed in minutes and threats or manifestos containing identifying information are forwarded to the authorities, with at least one known incident being prevented by them, a planned shooting at Bethel Park High School.

Which, frankly, is the surprising part since I don't know why any sane person would set foot there. I visited once a few weeks after its founding and it had already degenerated to the point most regular users probably deserve to be on some kind of government list. Going there is just asking for trouble and I would urge anyone curious to look for screenshots instead of actually visiting the website.

kartan · 6 years ago

> despite 8chan being a breeding ground of hate, threads by mass shooters are typically removed in minutes

So, it is ok that people promote and help mass shooters as far as there is no direct connection the day of the attack?

> Going there is just asking for trouble and I would urge anyone curious to look for screenshots instead of actually visiting the website.

Is a screenshot of hate speech promoting hate less than a rendered HTML page?

I will imagine that an Islamic extremist site will be closed within minutes of gaining notoriety. Why are we sparing white-nationalist propaganda?

kartan commented on 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now slate.com/technology/2019... · Posted by u/evo_9

kartan · 6 years ago

There was a time that it was difficult for me to understand how it was possible that governments in the middle east were supporting domestic terrorism. It was difficult to imagine how normal people were supporting the killing of fellow citizens.

Now, that I see this same trend unravel in the USA it becomes easier to understand. I have seen for the past decades the shifting of what "conservative" means. Extremists were always there, that I knew. But, it has been scary to see how moving what normality is toward the extreme has happened. News, in USA case Fox News, have validated the extremist's views creating an equivalence between "both sides".

In Europe there are similar movements, but, it has not been televised so much. Except, maybe, for the rise of extremism in the United Kingdom.

As interesting it is from the political perspective, it is dishearting the amount of suffering that it is causing. The political discourse is not used to agree in a way forward for society but as a battleground. And, again, news outlets share its part of fault. Diminishing investment in education probably is even more to blame.

The response is not to be angry, but to be calm and help society to value well-intended discussions over sensationalist posts and news headers.

I hope that it is not too late, the last time that xenophobia was not stoped it cost over 80 million lives, this time it will be way worse.

kartan commented on Germany Turns to Hydrogen in Quest for Clean Energy Economy bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/ekr

llampx · 6 years ago

I remember back in the early 2000s BMW made a lot of splash about hydrogen-powered cars. So Germany has had a love affair with Hydrogen for a while now.

Does anyone think its a worthwhile competitor to BEVs for personal and commmercial use?

kartan · 6 years ago

> So Germany has had a love affair with Hydrogen for a while now.

This sounds like a joke about the Hindenburg.

kartan commented on FBI: Delivery drivers involved in Amazon theft ring wthr.com/article/fbi-deli... · Posted by u/georgecmu

JudgeWapner · 6 years ago

Steal from Grandmas porch: labelled a "porch pirate", told by police "we don't respond to property crimes, fill out a police report online".

Steal from the richest man in the world: FBI is on the case with military-grade weapons, tactics and surveillance.

kartan · 6 years ago

> Steal from the richest man in the world: FBI is on the case with military-grade weapons, tactics and surveillance.

Steal from the richest man in the world * that avoids paying taxes * : FBI is on the case with military-grade weapons, tactics and surveillance * paid by taxpayers *.

kartan commented on Why Everyone Hates Customer Service wsj.com/articles/everyone... · Posted by u/psim1

kilburn · 6 years ago

I won't deny many companies are playing this game of skimping as much as they can get away with, and I despise this practice. There's also the other side of the fence though: customers who are just a resource drain.

I've recently been involved in some customer support efforts, and there are customers who are just unreasonable. They'll demand to have their cake, eat it too, and even get a new one. For the nuisance that a completely made up problem caused them. A problem that wouldn't even be your fault if it had been real.

They are a vast minority, but they spoil it for everyone. They consume your time and especially your team's morale. There is only so much bullshit a support agent can take before getting fed up with it and degrading their service to subsequent customers.

Now the organization has to figure out a way to detect those customers early enough to prevent them from screwing up everything for everyone. But false positives are very expensive: get one wrong and it becomes a PR nightmare.

Furthermore, if you try to give the best possible support, you must empower your agents to act. They can now screw up and even get your company in legal trouble. Good training reduces this risk, but humans making calls means errors will be made eventually.

In the end, reducing support to the bare minimum possible appears a reasonable option for many companies: it is the easiest to implement, it reduces legal/PR risks, and it has a very measurable and consistent effect (how many people stop buying/using your service after failing to get support). If that number is low enough, it just doesn't make economical sense to try to provide good support, which is a very hard endeavor for the reasons mentioned above.

kartan · 6 years ago

> In the end, reducing support to the bare minimum possible appears a reasonable option for many companies: it is the easiest to implement, it reduces legal/PR risks, and it has a very measurable and consistent effect (how many people stop buying/using your service after failing to get support).

I agree that this is the best short interest for corporations. And that is why it is so important laws to protect consumers.

"Salmonella sickens 1.2 million Americans every year and causes 450 deaths ... But there’s a loophole when it comes to salmonella: It isn’t on that prohibited list of adulterants." https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/10/4/17936714/be...

Corporations act in completely selfish economic interest. Mandatory customer support and hefty fines and regular inspections are the only protection for consumers. Also, it creates a fair environment where having good customer support is not an extra cost because of all companies having to provide it.

Corporations have a social responsibility that needs to be enforced. Corporations are going to optimize their extractive capacity until we humans are just reduced to production machines that survive another day to feed corporations profits. Our society goal should be human wellbeing, not corporate profits.

kartan commented on A mosque rebuilt once a year bbc.com/travel/story/2019... · Posted by u/MiriamWeiner

kartan · 6 years ago

This mosque is portrayed in How Climate Changes Art: https://youtu.be/dvQocRS3RdE?t=412

The video has other examples like this mosque and asks the question of how to preserve art for future generations.

kartan commented on Alaska’s scientists despair over plan to shrink state universities nature.com/articles/d4158... · Posted by u/aaronbrethorst

657df026-caa · 6 years ago

It is a little buried in there, but it is worth noting that the cut in funding is going to have a major impact on some important climate change research groups and facilities.

It should not be a surprise that the governor who scrapped the funding is a Republican. This isn't just a part of an anti-government or even anti-education strategy, it is a part of the war on science (specifically regarding climate change).

kartan · 6 years ago

> This isn't just a part of an anti-government or even anti-education strategy

Big corporations should be paying way more taxes. It would be a good way to avoid creating such undemocratic centers of power. Education is a human right: Article 26. (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.

* https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

kartan commented on 28% of Europeans Can't Afford a 1 Week Annual Holiday ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web... · Posted by u/infodocket

kartan · 6 years ago

> could not afford a one-week annual holiday away from home

You get in Europe around one month of paid vacation time. What people can't afford is to travel. The title of the article misses that point, but, it's clear in the article itself.

I'm surprised that Italy, 44%, is in such a bad position. Worse than Poland (35%).