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itsoktocry commented on Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow   bbc.com/news/articles/cy7... · Posted by u/bookofjoe
JumpCrisscross · a month ago
> literally the next paragraph

I see it now. That's misleading. It contains a nugget of truth inasmuch as a vaccinated person has lower odds of a SARS-CoV-2 infection turning into Covid, but it's not a guarantee. (Nothing in immunology is, but that's a punt.)

It should have been couched, it wasn't, and I can see someone seeing that as lying.

That said, if Biden had used more delicate words, do you think these folks would have taken their MMRs? Are people who make stupid decisions for the next decade because Trump lies about everything sympathetic because they couldn't evaluate source authority?

> Right next to the part you quoted

I was quoting the comment I responded to.

itsoktocry · a month ago
You asked for a source. I gave you one. It had multiple lies in it. You didn't even open the link.

Now you are pretending that someone can't go on YouTube and find more lies about the vaccines from the likes of people like Rachel Maddow. People have assembled long clips, it's a meme.

"Nuggets of truth", my lord, pure delusion.

"But but but what about some hypothetical scenario where the president didn't lie?"

We will never know, will we?

itsoktocry commented on Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow   bbc.com/news/articles/cy7... · Posted by u/bookofjoe
tzs · a month ago
You said they lied when they said "you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID".

Someone doubted you. You responded by posting a quote from President Biden: "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die."

That does not support your earlier claim. There is support for your earlier claim at the site you took the quote from, but the usual convention here is that if you quote a site you quote the part that supports your argument.

itsoktocry · a month ago
Yeah, ignore the 3 lies in the quote I posted, then ignore the other lies in the article. That's your convention, I get it.
itsoktocry commented on Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow   bbc.com/news/articles/cy7... · Posted by u/bookofjoe
raincole · a month ago
> But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines “cover” the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: “You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”

It's... literally the next paragraph. Right next to the part you quoted.

itsoktocry · a month ago
Exactly. For those following along, take note about how this interaction with JumpCrisscross went.

These people will lie. Deny. Gaslight. Move goalposts. Ask for sources they have no intention of looking at. Then lie some more.

Imagine claiming, "No one lied about the vaccines" in 2025 and asking for proof when challenged. It's absurd.

An yet, he has a long posting history here; we know he's not oblivious. So what are the incentives to pretend it never happened?

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itsoktocry commented on Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow   bbc.com/news/articles/cy7... · Posted by u/bookofjoe
JumpCrisscross · a month ago
> If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die

What part of this says “you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID”?

itsoktocry · a month ago
What a pathetic reply.

You made the claim: >Nobody lied about vaccines.

I posted a link from a left-leaning source, fact-checking the PRESIDENT literally lying about vaccine efficacy. Then you move on to something else.

Well, that's in there too, but you didn't read, did you?

"You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”"

I posted one resource, I'm not doing your research for you. The fact that you deny this indicates you are completely brain-rotted. Enjoy.

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itsoktocry commented on Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow   bbc.com/news/articles/cy7... · Posted by u/bookofjoe
JumpCrisscross · a month ago
> Go back and listen to what the media was saying about the vaccines when they were first released: you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID

You’re making the claim. Show me.

I remember this debate happening online. It was stupid then as it is now. The clinical outcomes were clear as day: reduced hospitalisation. And Jonas Salk’s original polio vaccine was non-sterilising and not only not non-infecting, but actively infecting.

itsoktocry · a month ago
>You’re making the claim. Show me.

The fact that you are unaware of it means you've got your head-in-the-sand.

"Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die.”"

Are those facts?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn...

itsoktocry commented on Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow   bbc.com/news/articles/cy7... · Posted by u/bookofjoe
JumpCrisscross · a month ago
> Don’t use govt control to suppress speech on social media. It’s not conducive to any sort of trust building

The federal government lied about masks. Local governments lied about lockdowns. Nobody lied about vaccines.

The folks who can’t be fucked to not get and spread measles weren’t tipped over the edge by the mask lies because they’re the same folks who wouldn’t follow a mask mandate.

itsoktocry · a month ago
>Nobody lied about vaccines.

Sure they did. Go back and listen to what the media and politicians were saying about the vaccines when they were first released: you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID. We ended up at "you'll still get COVID and spread COVID, but your symptoms will be lessened".

I'm not anti-vaccine by any means, but the story around COVID vaccines changed...a lot.

itsoktocry commented on Alive internet theory   alivetheory.net/... · Posted by u/manbitesdog
imiric · a month ago
Allow me to criticise your criticism...

> The CLICK: "Critiques kill". You want a live internet? Don't critique.

I don't see the connection. Critiques are also content.

The issue is not related to the type of content, but to what is producing it. Dead Internet is the (proven) idea that most content on the internet is produced and consumed by machines, not humans.

itsoktocry · a month ago
Yes.

Critiques, discourse, discussion..these are all things that make the internet "real".

itsoktocry commented on I Want You to Understand Chicago   aphyr.com/posts/397-i-wan... · Posted by u/tonyg
don_neufeld · a month ago
itsoktocry · a month ago
You're right, no one is getting benefits without paperwork, because that's what the rules say, and no one would break rules.

u/itsoktocry

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