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idlehand commented on Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists?   vmst.io/@selzero/10951255... · Posted by u/dredmorbius
orbifold · 3 years ago
I think this drastically overestimates what current AI algorithms are actually capable of, there is little to no hint of genuine creativity in them. They are currently severely limited by the amount of high quality training data not the model size. They are really mostly copying whatever they were trained on, but on a scale that it appears indistinguishable from intelligent creation. As humans we don't have to agree that our collective creative output can be harvested and used to train our replacements. The benefits of allowing this will be had by a very small group of corporations and individuals, while everyone else will lose out if this continues as is. This will and can turn into an existential threat to humanity, so it is different from workers destroying mechanical looms during the industrial revolution. Our existence is at stake here.
idlehand · 3 years ago
This has been a line of argument from every Luddite since the start of the industrial revolution. But it is not true. Almost all the productivity gains of the last 250 years have been dispersed into the population. A few early movers have managed to capture some fraction of the value created by new technology, the vast majority has gone to improve people's quality of life, which is why we live longer and richer lives than any generation before us. Some will lose their jobs and that is fine because human demand for goods and services is infinite, there will always be jobs to do.

I really doubt that AI will somehow be our successors. Machines and AI need microprocessors so complex that it took us 70 years of exponential growth and multiple trillion-dollar tech companies to train even these frankly quite unimpressive models. These AI are entirely dependent on our globalized value chains with capital costs so high that there are multiple points of failure.

A human needs just food, clean water, a warm environment and some books to carry civilization forward.

idlehand commented on Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists?   vmst.io/@selzero/10951255... · Posted by u/dredmorbius
Taywee · 3 years ago
An AI is not a person. Automated transformation does not remove the original copyright, otherwise decompilers would as well. That the process is similar to a real person is not actually important, because it's still an automated transformation by a computer program.

We might be able to argue that the computer program taking art as input and automatically generating art as output is the exact same as an artist some time after general intelligence is reached, until then, it's still a machine transformation and should be treated as such.

AI shouldn't be a legal avenue for copyright laundering.

idlehand · 3 years ago
Now we are in Ship of Theseus territory. If I downsample an image and convert it into a tiny delta in the model weights, from which the original image can never be recovered, is that infringement?
idlehand commented on Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists?   vmst.io/@selzero/10951255... · Posted by u/dredmorbius
palata · 3 years ago
Well Disney would probably sue Blender if there was a "generate Mickey Mouse model" button in it. It's not a totally fair comparison.
idlehand · 3 years ago
These AI models are closer to Google in that regard, yes, you can instruct them to generate a Mickey Mouse image, but you can instruct them to generate any kind of image, just like you can search for anything on Google, including Mickey Mouse. When using these models you are essentially performing a search in the model weights.
idlehand commented on Reconsidering Our School’s Engagement with Twitter   bu.edu/sph/news/articles/... · Posted by u/sohkamyung
BuckyBeaver · 3 years ago
It was unprofessional to use it in the first place.

Government officials and learning institutions don't belong on Twitter or other non-regulated, for-profit conduits.

idlehand · 3 years ago
Facebook is a walled garden, but Twitter is indexable and searchable. It has become a megaphone for celebrities, companies, individuals, and institutions.
idlehand commented on Effect of Low-Carb, High-Fat Diet versus High-Carb, Low-Fat Diet   acpjournals.org/doi/10.73... · Posted by u/mikequinlan
Beaver117 · 3 years ago
Yet another useless study clouding peoples minds. Stop eating ultra processed foods, meat is okay, rice is okay, most bread from the store isnt (look at the ingredients). Potatoes are possibly the most nutritious vegetable provided you dont deep fry them in seed oil. Stay away from cheap oils like canola, corn, soybean, safflower. Stick to olive oil, coconut oil, tallow, lard, ghee, etc BUT KEEP IT LIMITED.

No need to go on a restrictive keto or carnivore diet, it does have some benefits yes but you're missing out on variety.

idlehand · 3 years ago
Potatoes are a brilliant food. They're filling, contain an appropriate amount of calories, a lot of nutrients and a lot of potassium which helps balance out all that salt we're eating.
idlehand commented on Mars Now   mars.nasa.gov/explore/mar... · Posted by u/1970-01-01
kossTKR · 3 years ago
I was a huge sci fi and science nerd 10 years ago and still am, and honestly i would love to go back and care less about how the world works, but to me the very real fascination with "actual scientists" and "actual science" has been overshadowed by the siphoning, the false promises and the cooking of statistics that happens while everyones tax dollars get channeled into a fog somewhere between "external enemies" and technooptimist drivel.

The fact is that we could use our money on something real, something tangible like saving earth instead of war machines and false promises while the gini coeffecient goes crazy and public education fails.

And i mean this is not just a perspective i've got from researching economics, but from having lots of family in academic science - i've seen how much is about grant money, towing the line and about furthering some state or corporate cause sadly.

idlehand · 3 years ago
The US military budget is ~3.5% of GDP. It makes up about 10% of all government spending. 90% of your tax money does not go to war machines.
idlehand commented on New Zealand bans young people from buying cigarettes for life   abc.net.au/news/2022-12-1... · Posted by u/adrian_mrd
tulio_ribeiro · 3 years ago
What do you mean? Tobacco has well known long term adverse health effects and the article mentions "smoke". Whereas vaping (I'm assuming a good brand) has no active substance other than nicotine, which is no more harmful than caffeine which society consumes in copious amounts, and doesn't produce smoke.
idlehand · 3 years ago
Nicotine is associated with considerable adverse effects on cardiovascular health. Caffeine has not been found to have any long-term effects on cardiovascular health.
idlehand commented on Be wary of imitating high-status people who can afford to countersignal   robkhenderson.substack.co... · Posted by u/jger15
nightski · 3 years ago
It's also because working "hard" isn't enough. You have to put your effort where it matters. That is so often overlooked.
idlehand · 3 years ago
Working hard implies the labor theory of value, which is that all work is interchangeable. While that might have been closer to the truth during the first industrial revolution, the variability in the value of labor has never been higher than today.

It's comforting to think that those that have achieved the best outcomes in life have simply sacrificed time spent on other things, and spent more time on work. There might be some truth in that, but often they have had better opportunities, due to both circumstance and luck, that they also have made better use of than average.

idlehand commented on Highway EV charging will soon need a ton of power   canarymedia.com/articles/... · Posted by u/orangebanana1
nekoashide · 3 years ago
Gas Stations make money off the merchandise, the margins for gas at the station level are not that great.
idlehand · 3 years ago
Indeed, gas stations would probably love if all cars were electric. When you stop to charge, you know that you will be stopping for at least 15 minutes, so why not get a cup of coffee and a snack while waiting?

If we're lucky, gas stations might turn into alcohol-free third places where people watch sports, have a meal and hang out while waiting for their car to charge.

Driving ranges are generally high enough that driving from 100 to 0% charge means you should take a legally mandated break. So why not embrace that?

idlehand commented on Artificial intelligence is permeating business at last   economist.com/business/20... · Posted by u/helsinkiandrew
luckylion · 3 years ago
Can children be told stories that are better than what Amazon does? Most likely. Can children be told things that are worse than what Amazon does? Absolutely.

Should we replace all parent-child-interaction with the child talking to Alexa? Probably not. Should we replace some parents with Alexa? Absolutely.

idlehand · 3 years ago
AI-generated stories also do not necessarily displace parent-child storytelling, but probably other activities with similar (non-)levels of parental involvement, such as iPad or TV time.

u/idlehand

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