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hotnfresh commented on How could Al Bundy afford a house when he was making minimum wage?   old.reddit.com/r/AskHisto... · Posted by u/nixass
jaredhallen · 2 years ago
Sincere question - why not? It seems like the idea is that someone owning one cheap house in a rural community is of less consequence than another higher value home owned in a higher value market. And I'm sure some math could be applied in economic terms to bear that out. But looking at it from a human perspective, I have a hard time accepting that one is better than another.
hotnfresh · 2 years ago
It’s one of several factors that could mean the prices seen by the median person looking for a house are worse than that 4% median house price increase suggests.

To take it to an extreme to illustrate why this may matter, if one town gets abandoned and the houses all sell for $1 to a single family, while all the former residents move to another similar-sized town that sees prices more than double… you’d be best off ignoring or down-weighting the effect of those $1 houses if you’re trying to figure out how the housing market is looking to most people.

Though it’s possible the figures used for the analysis already account for that kind of thing, in some fashion. Are they actual sale prices, or asking prices? Do they only count sales to someone who’s intending to use the dwelling as a primary residence, or all sales? There’s a lot of room for the median experienced house price for a person just trying to buy a place to live to differ from the median on-paper, depending on how it’s handled.

hotnfresh commented on How could Al Bundy afford a house when he was making minimum wage?   old.reddit.com/r/AskHisto... · Posted by u/nixass
rufus_foreman · 2 years ago
You live on a different planet than me.

None of what you are saying is supportable by any data or statistics.

The boomers had everything worse. When they were born, something like two thirds of them had indoor plumbing. And a third of them did not.

My parents, my grandparents, they grew up the same way everybody else did back then. They worked on a farm from the age of like 5 doing manual labor.

When you are talking about your parents, you are talking about the luckiest people in the country. Nobody got a pension back then. Maybe if you worked for IBM, but that was not the norm.

What you are saying, "every plausible life-path got downgraded a couple notches since then" is completely false. Every plausible life-path has been upgraded since then, the things you are saying just aren't true.

hotnfresh · 2 years ago
> The boomers had everything worse. When they were born, something like two thirds of them had indoor plumbing. And a third of them did not.

Yeah, I know, I’ve hand-pumped water at the well my dad used growing up. The ‘40s and ‘50s were rough for a lot of families—but their kids basically just had to not constantly fuck up for multiple decades to be on track for at least moderate success.

I think it’s why a lot of that generation (my parents included) assume anyone who’s not doing at least decent is basically not trying at all, or is astonishingly useless. For their relatives who didn’t climb out of poverty with the rest of the wave, that’s mostly true.

(YMMV for minorities over the same time span, of course—racist FHA policy and other measures meant e.g. black folks didn’t get such an easy on-ramp to the postwar-success highway, to put it mildly)

hotnfresh commented on How could Al Bundy afford a house when he was making minimum wage?   old.reddit.com/r/AskHisto... · Posted by u/nixass
alangibson · 2 years ago
Interesting. I wonder if using medians is valid though. Incomes and prices are so localized that they may not represent what an actual human in an actual place could expect to be faced with.

There's a whole lot of anecdata over the last few years that's not accounted for by a 4% increase.

hotnfresh · 2 years ago
Yeah, if urbanism/centralization (of where people live and also the economy) increased over the same period, the raw figures may give a misleading picture of what things are really like. There are a lot or rural towns that have been shrinking over that time span, and cheap housing in those places doesn’t meaningfully offset rising prices in growing cities.
hotnfresh commented on How could Al Bundy afford a house when he was making minimum wage?   old.reddit.com/r/AskHisto... · Posted by u/nixass
lotsofpulp · 2 years ago
Perhaps this is what reaching the top of an S curve looks like. There is no economic growth wave due to population growth wave to surf.
hotnfresh · 2 years ago
Yeah, to be clear, I don’t mean that as a “them damned boomers!” post. They’re not to blame for circumstances conspiring to put life on (relatively) easy mode for them. If they’re guilty of anything (at least, many of them) it’s failing to appreciate how much harder it’s gotten to achieve what they’d consider a basic, unremarkable, ordinary, comfortable middle-class life.
hotnfresh commented on How could Al Bundy afford a house when he was making minimum wage?   old.reddit.com/r/AskHisto... · Posted by u/nixass
hotnfresh · 2 years ago
My dad (high school diploma) blundered through his 20s with a series of gigs and barely-paying-the-bills solo businesses, had an expensive divorce (kids in the mix, too), a kid out of wedlock, then finally got his career going as he approached 35. Worked for a railroad. Started at the bottom, worked his way to upper-middle-management before the railroad sold, MBAs took over from career railroad guys in upper management, and they ruined his work-life with constant pointless meetings and having to put up with idiots who didn’t know how anything worked calling the shots, before ultimately “encouraging” him and a bunch of the other expensive career guys into somewhat-early retirement. FFS, he was literally raised in a barn—and not a nice one, and not one attached to hundreds of acres of valuable paid-off farmland or anything like that—they were a kind of poor that barely exists outside the homeless, these days.

My mom was about 30 when they got married. Junior college stenography degree. Never worked for pay again after getting married. Dad was a railroad man (working class, nothing fancy) and mom a homemaker.

They followed a playbook that’d spell doom today, but rode rising real estate prices and real honest-to-god pensions to a couple million dollars invested plus social security. We did a couple weeks of driving or (sometimes) air travel vacation every year. All the usual American Dream stuff.

Shit was simply different for the Boomers. Almost every plausible life-path got downgraded a couple notches since then, in terms of quality of life and retirement outcomes. Except now everyone gets a shiny gee-whiz slate in their pocket. Hooray.

hotnfresh commented on Several piracy-related arrests spark fears of high-level crackdown   torrentfreak.com/several-... · Posted by u/gslin
lotsofpulp · 2 years ago
> but several big players who hate their paying customers refused to implement it, so that’s a dud.

Only Netflix in my experience.

hotnfresh · 2 years ago
Could’ve sworn (HBO) Max and Disney don’t work through it, either.
hotnfresh commented on GitHub is investigating an incident with Pull Requests, Issues and Webhooks   githubstatus.com/incident... · Posted by u/pil0u
selykg · 2 years ago
Before Microsoft bought them they were basically at a standstill and no new features were being added to the product. At least, that's my recollection of it, perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
hotnfresh · 2 years ago
The big one-step-forward-five-steps-back UI redesign was before the acquisition, wasn’t it?
hotnfresh commented on My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar   jacobbartlett.substack.co... · Posted by u/jakey_bakey
sertbdfgbnfgsd · 2 years ago
Thank you. I clicked thinking that I was gonna see someone's home made radar.
hotnfresh · 2 years ago
I clicked because I was excited to see the story of their unexpected interaction with the FCC and FAA (or local equivalents) due to putting out that much EM radiation in those spectra. But no. Still cool, though.
hotnfresh commented on Meta Designed Products to Capitalize on Teen Vulnerabilities, States Allege   wsj.com/business/media/me... · Posted by u/antiviral
lotsofpulp · 2 years ago
Targets have a Starbucks selling 10x as much dissolved sugar 25 feet away from checkout aisles. Are those unethical? How about in a separate Starbucks building, but on a pad site in front of the store with a drive thru?

Seems like an arbitrary place to draw the unethical/ethical line.

hotnfresh · 2 years ago
This is not, cannot be, and shouldn’t be math. Yes, it’s all “arbitrary”. Unhealthy impulse-items at the checkout are going to be regarded as quite unethical, by a lot of people, for really obvious reasons. The approaches you’re trying to use to “disprove” that isn’t how any of this works.

Many things are bad. Some are worse than others. Ones that are intentionally manipulative, as the impulse-buy aisle is, and greedily pushing high-margin products that are also unhealthy? Yeah, that’s an extremely shitty thing to do, no matter how common. The motivation is 100% greed, not delivering a better experience (as simply making candy and soda available in some normal aisle might). And in the Year of Our Lord 2023, every person choosing to create impulse-buy areas knows exactly what they’re doing and the effects it has.

The Starbucks bottles in the checkout aisle are, similarly, bad. The Starbucks that you have to walk over to, look at the menu with calories printed right next to each item while you choose what to buy, then stand in a second line, check out again, then wait at to get the drink, isn’t bad in the same ways. It might be bad in different ways, and to a different degree! But it’s not the same, and you’re not going to be able to construct some proof that requires I condemn those equally or else condemn neither, because that’s nonsense both in the specific terms of what we’re writing about, and also because it’s not a useful way to analyze or discuss these sorts of things in general.

hotnfresh commented on Meta Designed Products to Capitalize on Teen Vulnerabilities, States Allege   wsj.com/business/media/me... · Posted by u/antiviral
maximinus_thrax · 2 years ago
> At some point people need to be responsible for their own decisions.

We already do that. When they turn 18, we expect people to be responsible for their own decisions.

hotnfresh · 2 years ago
One normal human with 24 hours in a day losing 45ish hours a week to pull median income and another 8ish per day to sleep versus multibillion dollar companies hiring behavioral psychologists and marketing experts with collectively many thousands of hours per day spent finding ways to trick people—and their efforts demonstrably work.

The advertising industry’s a rabid dog the size of Godzilla and should be put down, whether it’s targeting kids or adults.

u/hotnfresh

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