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hombre_fatal commented on The ROI of Exercise   herman.bearblog.dev/exerc... · Posted by u/ingve
martin-t · 2 days ago
Nobody has an obligation to assume competence. Incompetence is very common on both sides. It is reasonable to assume incompetence. Given it's such common criticism and refuting it is simple, yes, the author should pre-respond. Otherwise everyone else has to look at the study which costs more time in total and also allows incompetent scientists to get away with it because unless people investigate further, both look the same on the surface.
hombre_fatal · 20 hours ago
You could ask dozens and maybe hundreds of entry level questions about the study that the study answers in its text.

How many of those questions do you feel is adequate to pre-respond to any time you link a study? Especially when assuming incompetence on the person asking the question thus you can't possibly know the questions they are most likely to ask (since they're incompetent)?

And if I'm incompetent, why would anyone trust my summary and pre-responses to the study?

None of this makes sense. And we're getting awfully close of just pasting/linking the study so the person with the questions can just read the dang thing.

hombre_fatal commented on The ROI of Exercise   herman.bearblog.dev/exerc... · Posted by u/ingve
Mawr · a day ago
So I get to hip-fire studies at you with 0 effort on my part and you'll spend hours verifying them?
hombre_fatal · 20 hours ago
No, you do it in good faith, and if I see value in engaging with you but I imagine a potential issue with the study just from its title, I can skim it instead of posting it and never looking.
hombre_fatal commented on The ROI of Exercise   herman.bearblog.dev/exerc... · Posted by u/ingve
martin-t · 2 days ago
I understand but incompetence is so common everywhere in society that mistakes like this genuinely are the first thought people should have.

I have the opposite opinion - if criticism like this is so obvious (and it is), then it's up to the article to refute it immediately - this saves time of everyone reading it and gives it more credibility.

hombre_fatal · 2 days ago
So any mention of a study in an online comment or blog post has to couch it in a bunch of pre-responses to potential kneejerk dismissals from people who won't even look at the study?

You can tell who never looks studies up on scihub because they have no idea that multivariate modeling for confounders (especially income and education) is something pretty much every study does, so it makes no sense to assume you just blindly outsmarted the study when you thought of the first confounder that came to your mind.

Yet it everyone else's responsibility to defend casual mention of every study from a critique you came up in 5 seconds.

hombre_fatal commented on The ROI of Exercise   herman.bearblog.dev/exerc... · Posted by u/ingve
gruez · 2 days ago
>I'm 6'1 and 190-200lb, and I went from 130g to 80g a day of protein for the last year and have only gained more lean mass.

And everything else was held constant? Moreover the claim isn't that you need absurdly high amounts of protein to build muscle, just that it's easier to build muscle if you have higher protein intake, all things being equal.

hombre_fatal · 2 days ago
I just don't see it. The main connection I see is with calorie intake being slightly above vs below maintenance. How does "easier" quantify? What if it's a technically true statement but you're just talking about 2%?

It's like when you hear that steaming vegetables retains more nutrients than boiling them so everyone repeats this bit of trivia, but then you find out it's talking about a 7% difference so who cares.

hombre_fatal commented on The ROI of Exercise   herman.bearblog.dev/exerc... · Posted by u/ingve
scotty79 · 2 days ago
I hate exercise and I can't even imagine doing it in the morning because it just makes me tired and sleepy. After two hour bike ride or 3 hour walk, I just drop and fall asleep in the middle of the day messing up my sleep schedule. Somehow I feel that even for the author of this article exercise would feel different if he wasn't chasing it up with 45 minutes of binging coffee.
hombre_fatal · 2 days ago
Well, why not try a 45min workout instead of 2-3 hour activities?
hombre_fatal commented on The ROI of Exercise   herman.bearblog.dev/exerc... · Posted by u/ingve
CalRobert · 2 days ago
I am embarrassed to admit I always thought people focused too much on protein and it was bro science but I also never managed to get stronger despite resistance training. Then in my forties I finally started eating 150-180 g of protein a day and doing resistance training to exhaustion a couple days a week and the difference has been huge. I wish I’d done this 20 years ago.
hombre_fatal · 2 days ago
I'm 6'1 and 190-200lb, and I went from 130g to 80g a day of protein for the last year and have only gained more lean mass.

I do think proteinmaxing is mostly food/supp industry hype + advice for people who need to tricked into replacing donuts with something healthier. So YMMV.

But I think the training until exhaustion part of your comment is the important bit.

hombre_fatal commented on The ROI of Exercise   herman.bearblog.dev/exerc... · Posted by u/ingve
koolba · 2 days ago
> We know from one study that people who played tennis a few times per week lived roughly 10 years longer than average. So we'll use that value going forward.

There has to be some incredible correlation between having the time and money to play tennis “a few times per week” and being significantly wealthier than the average person. And being wealthy is clearly the healthiest thing you can do.

hombre_fatal · 2 days ago
I am begging HNers to at least pull up the study in scihub and see if there was multivariate adjustment (there was) before they hip-fire the first thought they had when they saw someone summarize a study in a blog post.
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lazide · 2 days ago
Only if the rest of society won’t back you up. Which is the real issue. Society in general has turned into a bunch of lazy cowards.
hombre_fatal · 2 days ago
If anything, the rest of society acts like you're the one out of line for confronting people who entitle themselves to bring their pet with them.

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