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hickvision commented on Broken Windows Theory   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro... · Posted by u/tosh
feet · 3 years ago
What I don't understand is how you seem to be equating graffiti with gang violence. Removing a tag won't stop any violence because painting a symbol is not violence, even if it is tangentially related. That almost sounds like treating a symptom and pretending the problem goes away.

If you really want to stop gang violence, people in poverty need opportunity and investment. Preventing gang members from painting things does nothing to solve the problem of violence, that's an absurd conclusion.

hickvision · 3 years ago
>If you really want to stop gang violence, people in poverty need opportunity and investment.

The theory you are presenting, of monocausal criminality due to economic conditions, has been analyzed thoroughly and rejected decisively by the field of criminology for decades, now. It's easy to see why: we can compare impoverished groups both nationally and globally and discover that there is simply no causal, consistent relationship between poverty and violent criminality.

To be sure, economics can play a role and become a factor in motivating criminal behavior, but violent criminality is ultimately a choice that people make, not a direct consequence of poverty. Indeed, many groups suffering tremendous poverty exhibit very low rates of violent crime, and likewise, Suge Knight exists.

hickvision commented on Broken Windows Theory   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro... · Posted by u/tosh
feet · 3 years ago
I understand the nature of gang tags but I also understand that gang tags are the minority of graffiti art

Also stating again: intent does not matter

hickvision · 3 years ago
>I understand the nature of gang tags but I also understand that gang tags are the minority of graffiti art

Because in some rail yard somewhere lurks some really decked out train cars, you want to prevent a neighborhood plagued with gang violence from protecting their community?

hickvision commented on H. R. 4346: The CHIPS and Science Act of 2022   commerce.senate.gov/2022/... · Posted by u/gmays
khuey · 3 years ago
Seeing as how NVIDIA doesn't actually manufacture semiconductors, it doesn't seem like they stand to benefit at all.
hickvision · 3 years ago
>Seeing as how NVIDIA doesn't actually manufacture semiconductors

They don't fabricate, but they do design quite a lot of them, and are even moving into the ARM CPU arena.

hickvision commented on Broken Windows Theory   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro... · Posted by u/tosh
feet · 3 years ago
I said the symbols. Painted symbols can easily outlast the people who painted them, painted symbols existing is not an indicator of present danger. It's bizarre how you're conflating the two
hickvision · 3 years ago
>Painted symbols can easily outlast the people who painted them

We aren't talking about that sort of painted symbol, though. I'm totally mystified as to why you refuse to acknowledge the nature of gang tags. They aren't art, and aren't intended to be art. Instead, they're enciphered threats to other criminals in the area, warning them to stay out. They don't and aren't intended to outlast the people who painted them.

And most importantly, they represent real danger to the entire community. Turf wars, mistaken identity shootings, as well as gang activities like narcotics, sex trafficking, and robbery/burglary are all to be expected in areas where gangs openly declare ownership of turf with tags.

hickvision commented on H. R. 4346: The CHIPS and Science Act of 2022   commerce.senate.gov/2022/... · Posted by u/gmays
skavi · 3 years ago
Seems a provision like that would make each dollar less effective. Also seems it push the bill from being focused on tech R&D and to more of a general economic stimulus.

I may be misunderstanding. The only research I’ve done on this is to read the article you linked.

hickvision · 3 years ago
>Seems a provision like that would make each dollar less effective.

The same thing could be said of sanctions on Russian oil. Sometimes it has to be about more than pure economics, even as we try to craft rational economic policy.

hickvision commented on Stranger Things is being edited retroactively by Netflix?   gq-magazine.co.uk/culture... · Posted by u/metadat
edabobojr · 3 years ago
I find it ironic that the article itself was edited after the initial posting, per the disclaimer at the bottom. If Netflix added such a disclaimer in the credits of the episode, would that make it more acceptable to the author?
hickvision · 3 years ago
I can't speak to the author's views, but it would to me. There's something very disconcerting about the ability of digital media to be "memory holed", and the Streisand effect is no longer a sure thing, in the age of big tech censorship infrastructure built by popular (media) demand.
hickvision commented on Broken Windows Theory   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro... · Posted by u/tosh
feet · 3 years ago
Dangerous art? I wonder which groups of people called art dangerous in the past

It's crazy how some people think painted symbols present a danger to humans somehow

hickvision · 3 years ago
How much do you know about street gangs? Yeah, they're dangerous! Turf markings are extremely dangerous. They aren't put there to be art, it's like calling a "caution: floor is wet" sign "art".

I'm trying not to be offensive or personal here, but I'm stunned at this take that refuses to acknowledge how dangerous and harmful street gangs are to communities. If you've ever had to live in a neighborhood with them, like I have, then I doubt this would be as much of an issue for you?

hickvision commented on Broken Windows Theory   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro... · Posted by u/tosh
feet · 3 years ago
Anecdote is not a study nor is it generalizable to a large population.

Not to mention your "population" in this case is preselected from your own friend group

hickvision · 3 years ago
>Anecdote is not a study

And what I described is the outline of a study, not an anecdote. Small scale, limited sample size, and less well controlled than an academic study, but it's still data.

Also, as another poster already mentioned, it isn't as if there is any shortage of large scale, academic studies available showing exactly the same results, if those are more your cup of tea.

hickvision commented on Broken Windows Theory   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro... · Posted by u/tosh
feet · 3 years ago
Intent of the artist does not matter, art is subjective and the production of the system of many artists layering their works over time has a beauty in itself

It's some seriously privileged classist stuff to make the claims that you're making

hickvision · 3 years ago
It's seriously privileged and classist to acknowledge that much graffiti is merely gang tags advertising territorial control over an area?

It's "subjective" whether or not gang tags constitute art, rather than a danger to the community?!?

Huh?!

hickvision commented on Broken Windows Theory   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro... · Posted by u/tosh
orf · 3 years ago
Sure! and specific places to do it. Works for other countries.
hickvision · 3 years ago
The naivite of this belief is precious.

Yes, some people use spraypaint to make stunning, socially relevant art. Banksy is, in some sense, a graffiti artist.

But most graffiti has nothing to do with Banksy-esque social commentary. In fact, much of it is simply gang signs labeling areas of turf control. The people writing these gang sign messages are absolutely not interested in having a specific, authorized place in which to exhibit their street artwork.

u/hickvision

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