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forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
freedomben · 2 years ago
It's not entirely removed from objective reality. Firstly, there is no such thing as objective reality for humans. Secondly, the principles that underpin this scenario are highly active in the world today. Things like specialization, efficiency, division of labor, etc.

Not too long ago my neighbor cleaned the carburetor on my lawn mower, and I fixed his router config in exchange. He would have had to spend tons of time figuring out how to do it himself, but it took me 5 minutes. I could have cleaned my own carburetor, but he already had the cleaner and had freshly done one, so it took him 5 minutes but would have taken me 30 minutes plus a trip to the store. The same principles from the example are at play here.

And whether Person B can get enough protein from coconuts is entirely irrelevant. All that matters in this scenario is that Person B was concerned about it and wanted to trade.

forward1 · 2 years ago
> Firstly, there is no such thing as objective reality for humans

What? This is just silly. You don't know the difference between hypothetical fantasy and real life, or are you just being hyperbolic?

> Secondly, the principles that underpin this scenario are highly active in the world today

Still, it is irrelevant since I asked for a real world example.

> Not too long ago my neighbor cleaned the carburetor on my lawn mower, and I fixed his router config in exchange

Another contrived example which excludes the entire world. Who made the lawn mower? Who made the router? Literal slaves in a third world country. Surely you are not so ignorant you know this?

> whether Person B can get enough protein from coconuts is entirely irrelevant

It is not irrelevant; it is hilarious you don't know this simple nutritional fact.

forward1 commented on www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed   github.com/webcompat/web-... · Posted by u/mozvalentin
stonogo · 2 years ago
Plenty of quality software is unpopular, and plenty of popular software is shit. I'm confident you know this. What is driving this series of pointless nonsense posts?
forward1 · 2 years ago
I do. I also happen to know people use Chrome because it's quality.
forward1 commented on I pwned half of America's fast food chains simultaneously   mrbruh.com/chattr/... · Posted by u/MrBruh
ziddoap · 2 years ago
Personal insults, nice.

It's related in the same way that I can say "nothing matters at all" in reply to literally anything. Which is to say, very loosely, and entirely lacking substance.

forward1 · 2 years ago
I'm sorry you're insulted by your own inability to answer a simple question about your own entitlement. It must be very difficult for your to engage in difficult conversations, and I hope this wasn't too stressful for your frail and fragile ego.
forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
Turing_Machine · 2 years ago
> But you only quoted the first part of my statement

Yes, the part where you made the unsupported assertion.

> not the proof

Nonsense. Your "proof" relies on a non-standard definition which you have pulled straight out of your ass.

forward1 · 2 years ago
So you're not aware of an ethical business, and cannot provide examples here. I understand, thank you for helping me drive my point home!
forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
confidantlake · 2 years ago
The dude is a troll.
forward1 · 2 years ago
"I have no counter-argument, so I'm just going to call the person I disagree with a silly name, because I'm upset and it is all I can do"
forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
__loam · 2 years ago
It should be very difficult to fire people, especially if you're making a massive profit. The idea that a company making that much money in pure profit needs to "trim the fat" is callous in the extreme, and probably deeply harmful to company morale. The employees of a company are absolutely entitled to a share of the profit they personally helped create.
forward1 · 2 years ago
> It should be very difficult to fire people, especially if you're making a massive profit.

What is the basis of this opinion, though? What gives you this entitlement that companies must employ people if they're well off (according to you)?

> The idea that a company making that much money in pure profit needs to "trim the fat" is callous in the extreme, and probably deeply harmful to company morale.

Who cares? You think business isn't callous or even cutthroat? You think businesses care about "morale" over the bottomline? You would be so wrong.

> The employees of a company are absolutely entitled to a share of the profit they personally helped create.

According to ... the petulant ranting of HN readers? Or do you have a more authoritative or objective reason to believe this?

forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
riffraff · 2 years ago
Which is the point: large companies do not have more control over that than me and you, nor do they interpret them better, which is the same reason hedge funds generally trail index funds.
forward1 · 2 years ago
Hedge funds trail index funds? What a hilariously and confidently incorrect take.

I guess that's why hedge fund managers have billions in assets and are paid millions of dollars, to deliver sub-market returns. Yep, makes total sense.

forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
therealdrag0 · 2 years ago
I don’t think it does! But you shouldn’t be surprised when people are operating under a different framework when engaging with the world. And discussions won’t go anywhere trying to get different conclusions out of different starting points and motives. If everything is unethical then nothing matters, but people don’t want nothing to matter so they construct shades of grey to make choices and judgements on. Your “um actually everything is unethical” is irrelevant to the game they’re playing.

Not to mention it’s absurd a conversation this long hasn’t pointed out the relativity of ethical judgments or event attempted to define what ethical even means.

forward1 · 2 years ago
> But you shouldn’t be surprised when people are operating under a different framework when engaging with the world.

The majory of people are idiots, so this part is almost certainly expected and acceptable.

> If everything is unethical then nothing matters, but people don’t want nothing to matter so they construct shades of grey to make choices and judgements on. Your “um actually everything is unethical” is irrelevant to the game they’re playing.

Where did I say everything is unethical? Where did I say nothing matters? This is the way people want to re-frame the conversation because it is too difficult for them to break through their conditioning to apprehend how the world works.

forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
freedomben · 2 years ago
> Not to mention it’s absurd a conversation this long hasn’t pointed out the relativity of ethical judgments or event attempted to define what ethical even means.

I did, but GP dodged it by switching to ad hominem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38960797

forward1 · 2 years ago
I don't think you know what "ad hominem" means, which somewhat accounts for the difficulty you'd had following this thread.
forward1 commented on Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions   nytimes.com/2024/01/11/te... · Posted by u/gumby
Turing_Machine · 2 years ago
Nothing will "stop you"

Nothing will make other people accept your incongruous and intellectually dishonest definition, either.

forward1 · 2 years ago
What is incongruous or dishonest about it? You have provided no counter-argument, no alternative theory, only petulance at my recognition of the facts of your sad life.

u/forward1

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