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falsaberN1 commented on AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model komiko.app/video/AniSora... · Posted by u/PaulineGar

xyzal · 7 months ago

It is a fluke visual training sets are far less amenable to sabotage than textual ones. Not that I suggest engaging in such a horrible, terrible, very bad manners, do I?

falsaberN1 · 7 months ago

I'm sorry to inform you that the mere automated pre-processing used in building of a training set will most likely disable any form of poisoning because the image is being altered before training. All popular training tools do this.

Art stealing is a thing. I've had by art stolen regularly. Multiple Doom mods use sprites I made and only one person (the DRLA guy) asked for permission. I've had my art traced and even used in advertisements with me only finding out by sheer chance. I've had people use it for coloring without crediting the source. This has happened for more than thirty years. You can only learn to live with it, lest you risk going absolutely insane. If you are popular, people will do stupid stuff with your stuff. And if you aren't popular, you art is not going to be used to train, anyway (sets are ordered by popularity and only the top stuff gets used. The one with 3 upvotes is not going in.)

falsaberN1 commented on AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model komiko.app/video/AniSora... · Posted by u/PaulineGar

perching_aix · 7 months ago

The way I think of art has two main components: the aesthetics and the higher level impressions invoked through those aesthetics. For me, art is specifically about the experimentation-with and the then-intentional use of aesthetics, to evoke a specific set of impressions within its audience. A form of communication, a transfer of experiences, frames of mind, and ideas. The more effectively and intelligently one can do this, the more skilled of an artist they are in my book.

When I see generative AI produced illustrations, they'll usually be at least aesthetically pleasing. But sometimes they are already more than that. I found that there are lots and lots of illustrations that already deliver higher level experiences that go beyond just their quality of aesthetics delivery. They deliver on the goal they were trying to use those aesthetics for to begin with. Whether this is through tedious prompting and "borrowed" illustrational techniques I think is difficult to debate right now, but just based on what I've seen so far of this field and considering my views and definitions, I have absolutely zero doubts that AI will 100% generate artworks that are more and more "legitimately" artful, and that there's no actual hard dividing line one can draw between these and manmade art, and what difference does exist now I'm confident will gradually fade away.

I do not believe that humans are any more special than just the fact that they're human provides to them. Which is ultimately ever-dwindling now it seems.

falsaberN1 · 7 months ago

It's human intent.

AI is technically another tool, and it can be used poorly (what people refer to "AI slop", using default settings, some LoRA and calling it a day) and it can be used properly (forcing compositions, editing, fixing errors...) to convey an idea or emotion or tell a story. Critical eye does the rest.

After all, the machine doesn't do anything on its own, it needs a driver. The quality of the output is directly proportional to the operator's amount of passion.

falsaberN1 commented on AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model komiko.app/video/AniSora... · Posted by u/PaulineGar

numpad0 · 7 months ago

Online artists are more likely to be consultants and marketing experts. They "flip burgers", or rather make PowerPoints and lays out magazine articles, 12 hours a day for 8 days a week anyway. So AI only "financially" hurts them in the sense that it hurts their dopamine income.

falsaberN1 · 7 months ago

This is more like it. Every dedicated artist I know does something else to pay the bills, from actual burger flippers to sysadmins like me. They will make time to draw things because they simply like doing it.

falsaberN1 commented on AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model komiko.app/video/AniSora... · Posted by u/PaulineGar

pca006132 · 7 months ago

Not an artist myself. I think some artists may become more like head chefs in some Chinese restaurant, who is more like QA and give direction to cooks to improve their work. I think it is hard to notice the details and give concrete feedback if you are not working on it professionally for a long time.

falsaberN1 · 7 months ago

This is probably true. I've noticed some people have better critical eye with the AI output than others. People with artistic skill can make stuff of much higher quality, it seems. I guess they get immediately bored of the default settings which compose most of the low-quality slop being pushed around.

falsaberN1 commented on AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model komiko.app/video/AniSora... · Posted by u/PaulineGar

JoeAltmaier · 7 months ago

Nice idealistic view. It doesn't pay the bills. Artists quit doing art when they have to flip burgers instead. And AI is absolutely unconditionally a competitor in that arena.

falsaberN1 · 7 months ago

Then they were never real artists. I spend 14 hours a day at the office in a rather stressful job and still make time to draw, and I'm everything but a superhuman.

falsaberN1 commented on AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model komiko.app/video/AniSora... · Posted by u/PaulineGar

GoblinSlayer · 7 months ago

Push further can only artists that weren't crippled by AI.

falsaberN1 · 7 months ago

What do you mean? How can AI cripple an artist? Even if the AI can do stuff better than I can in less time, it doesn't affect my art at all. It's the same thing as human artists better than them existing. Then again, I've seen people who get jealous to a raging degree because artist X can do better than them, so...

Every artist worth anything strives to be better at their craft on the daily, if that artist gets discouraged because there's something "better", that means that artist is not good because those negative emotions are coming from a competitive place instead of one of self-improvement and care for their craft or the audience. Art is only a competition with oneself, and artists that don't understand or refuse this fact are doomed from the start.

falsaberN1 commented on AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model komiko.app/video/AniSora... · Posted by u/PaulineGar

kachapopopow · 7 months ago

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material.

Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if artists will just be downgraded to an "AI" training position, but it could be for the best as people can draw what they like instead and have that input feed into a model for training which doesn't sound too bad.

While being very pro AI in terms of any kind of trademaking and copyright, it still make me wonder what will happen to all the people who provided us with entertainment and if the quality continue to increase or if we're going to start losing challenging styles because "it's too hard for ai" and everything will start 'felling' the same.

It doesn't feel the same as people being replaced with computer and machines, this feels like the end of a road.

falsaberN1 · 7 months ago

Disclaimer: I'm an artist with 30+ years of experience.

Downgraded to AI training? Nonsense. You forget artists do more than just draw for money, we also draw for FUN, and that little detail escapes every single AI-related discussion I've been reading for the last 3 years.

falsaberN1 commented on Preschoolers can reason better than we think, study suggests phys.org/news/2025-03-pre... · Posted by u/PaulHoule

falsaberN1 · 9 months ago

What distresses me about all this is that we are handling children like if they were a separate species....just use your memory! Of course they can reason better than we think, did everyone forget making plans and having chats with other preschoolers as a preschooler? Everyone has been one! No exceptions! And yet we act like if kids were a separate state of matter or something.

This strange mental separation can only bring in bad results.

falsaberN1 commented on Mitochondria Are Alive asimov.press/p/mitochondr... · Posted by u/mailyk

euparkeria · a year ago

It reminds me the game Parasite Eve.

falsaberN1 · a year ago

I don't know why this is being downvoted. It's quite apropos for being a piece of fiction toying with this very concept.

It is a videogame based on/continuing a cheesy scifi novel that played with the concept of mitochondria being alive (also sentient). Sure it's not quite scientifically sound, but it still explains the concept with enough actual facts (very easy to distinguish from the fictional ones), and the ludicrous nature of it all makes it so you won't *ever* forget that mitochondria are in fact a part of the cell and their normal function is being involved in energy production.

I can warrant 90% of people who ever thought about the mitochondrion's existence and function (beyond basic school formation) that aren't working or studying in related fields are just people who played this game. I can bet there's a non-zero amount of scientists that got into this stuff because they played the game as kids or teens.