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fallenfromgrace commented on How Basecamp Blew Up platformer.news/p/-how-ba... · Posted by u/peterthehacker

eloff · 4 years ago

Like what?

I was struck quite a bit by “I don't believe in a lot of the framing around implicit bias. I think a lot of this is actually racist.”

The context it was said in made the statement rather jarring. I am all for their initial stance of "no politics" etc, but their all-hands was a face palm all around.

fallenfromgrace commented on How Basecamp Blew Up platformer.news/p/-how-ba... · Posted by u/peterthehacker

DiNovi · 4 years ago

he had over 10 retweets and tweets the same day after this call. And did not use those tweets to thank his old team, just more "apple bad" stuff as if nothing had changed.

Color me skeptical.

fallenfromgrace · 4 years ago

Hear you, but not knowing the exact timeline of events here...and seeing how this is a disaster on so many other levels...I find there is value in showing him grace for being...sick. (There is already so much bad, that his absence/presence is a moot point)

But totally hear what you're saying and appreciate your skepticism!

fallenfromgrace commented on How Basecamp Blew Up platformer.news/p/-how-ba... · Posted by u/peterthehacker

eloff · 4 years ago

There is a great supporting argument for keeping discussions of politics, race, religion, etc out of the workplace to begin with.

It's not possible to call it from outside, but there was no actual racist behavior cited, apart from the list of funny customer names, which is not really racist (more culturalist - if that were a thing), but it is a terrible idea anyway.

It sounds like a bunch of people got upset and quit over white privilege and the usual similar nonsense. Good riddance, why would you want activist employees like that?

fallenfromgrace · 4 years ago

I thought so too, until I read the second (third?) article. Quite a few racist statements were made in the meeting itself and many employees mentioned that it was the meeting that convinced them to resign.

fallenfromgrace commented on How Basecamp Blew Up platformer.news/p/-how-ba... · Posted by u/peterthehacker

DiNovi · 4 years ago

so they:

- Announced a new company policy publicly before telling the staff

- Deleted internal threads that would go against their narrative of why they did so

- Had a conservative senior employee go off about politics on the call discussing the new no politics policy.

- refused to reprimand said employee on the call

- had one founder take this extremely sensitive call from his bed with his camera off and on mute.

- After the employees resigned, did not send any sort of public message thanking them for their time at the company.

Can't believe only 21 employees walked. What idiots these founders are. There is no way to defend this poor management even if you agree with the rule they tried to put in

fallenfromgrace · 4 years ago

for what it's worth, I find the picking on DHH for taking this call from bed unnecessary

If he was sick, whether physically sick because of their own actions or otherwise...sick is sick. Seemed like a no-win for him whether he could either refuse to show up because he is sick, or show up to at least listen to what's going on (assuming recording it wasn't an option).

fallenfromgrace commented on How Basecamp Blew Up platformer.news/p/-how-ba... · Posted by u/peterthehacker

baggy_trough · 4 years ago

I don’t follow. Why would you be suspended for that?

fallenfromgrace · 4 years ago

It has hints of "reverse racism" and tends to dismiss that racism is an issue...and if it is an issue, racism against white people is the actual and bigger issue. That's closer to the camp of "white supremacist" or at the very least, a common defense used by white supremacist. Generally, this would be someone who is, in his position, at the very best, wilfully ignorant.

I was not the one dismissed him, nor do I work at basecamp, nor am I Ryan Singer, so I can't be sure that's why he was suspended...can only guess with the same information available to you.