Readit NewsHe is the Vice-President, yes.
It wouldn't logically follow if they were quoting Trump, either. Talking about doing something doesn't mean you plan to do it.
> but the Republican governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, has said that the suspect had a “leftist ideology” and that he acted alone.
Of course he acted alone. It was an assassination using a rifle from a distance. How could anyone else have possibly been involved, even in principle?
"Leftist ideology" is Cox's entirely understandable interpretation of the available evidence, including the bullet markings. It's also the base assumption for the political assassination of a right-winger. And there cannot be any serious doubt that the murder of a prominent political advocate, at an event specifically about politics, during a political exchange, was political.
This leaves open the question of supposed "menace".
> while investigators haven't event started investigating.
They have started investigating. I can't fathom thinking otherwise.
> (Vance quote)
This is not thought-policing. Granted, in most cases, people should not lose their jobs for saying vitriolic things on social media. However:
* Calling people out is doing more speech, not restricting speech — as we were all constantly reminded when "call-out culture" was the meme.
* People who call employers don't actually have power over those employers, never mind their employees. The employer gets to make the decision, and it's fair that employers should know if their employees are tarnishing the company's image.
* NYT literally used the phrase "police thought". This is a stronger claim than "police speech". Nobody would ever have had a problem with any of these people privately approving of Kirk's death, if only because they would have no way to know.
* When right-wingers previously objected to "cancel culture", I can guarantee that you could have talked to them and found that they would, in fact agree that there are lines that must not be crossed when it comes to things said on social media. The things I used to see people get fired for were not in the same ballpark, and the pressure to fire them was typically focused serially on individuals rather than being part of a broad search.
So you are saying the VPs words hold no meaning? I don't get it, of course the VP talking about it signals a plan to do it. What would be the point otherwise?
"We’re going to go after the NGO network that foments, facilitates and engages in violence" -Pence (not sure what NGO he was referring to, that sponsored this shooting)
> It wouldn't logically follow if they were quoting Trump, either.
we should just ignore what he says, right?
> They have started investigating. I can't fathom thinking otherwise
That was an obvious hyperbole. the FBI changed their narrative how many times before they got the shooter (not by their own skill btw)? Cox was talking out of his ass, they did not have any hard information at that point in time.
> And there cannot be any serious doubt that the murder of a prominent political advocate, at an event specifically about politics, during a political exchange, was political.
That is why there are investigations, and why it is important to establish a motive, in a state with real rule of law.
> This is not thought-policing.
That's correct, it's just the vice president directly telling people to dox and harrass people for what they post online.
A Brown shirt killed by a communist/socialist was always illegal, but a communist/socialist killed by a brown shirt was always self defence and always legal.
That's why the rule of law is so important, and that's why it shouldn't have exceptions for anyone, even policemen (arguments could be made for elected people as long as they are elected though).
Which is what republicans and Trump have been doing the past 10-15 years. Just need to look at how the supreme court is behaving as of late.
100% of Hitler's reign was legal. Everything he did was 100% legal.
Morality is and must be above laws.
(Edit: ChatGPT reminds me that Hitler's post-1933 actions were legal; the earlier (and failed) "Beer Hall Putsch" was illegal.)
This last shooting will probably not lead to a meaningful change in gun-control, but it will create pretexts for this administration to crack down on certain political movements.
How does someone screw up CSS so completely?