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dafoex commented on The Lone Banana Problem in AI   digital-science.com/tldr/... · Posted by u/JohnHammersley
anotheryou · 3 years ago
Midjourney solution: "--no bunch, two, multiple": https://i.imgur.com/QnJmLr0.jpeg

These models have a tendency to move towards the average, especially if unprompted. As we see here, sometimes even if prompted otherwise.

They just have to get better or need a more precise interface like the —no :). We also couldn't have "a man crawling" before and now we can: https://i.imgur.com/ycVpk3i.jpeg

dafoex · 3 years ago
I agree. While the article is correct that this problem of subtle bias exists, the solution for most cases is to realise that the computer "does what you say, not what you mean".
dafoex commented on The Lone Banana Problem in AI   digital-science.com/tldr/... · Posted by u/JohnHammersley
cubefox · 3 years ago
I wouldn't use "bias" here. It's a very ambiguous term in machine learning.
dafoex · 3 years ago
Not sure what a better term would be... Just being more specific might help, like "bias in the training data"?
dafoex commented on The Lone Banana Problem in AI   digital-science.com/tldr/... · Posted by u/JohnHammersley
tsukikage · 3 years ago
"Three cats in a trenchcoat" is a good one. Three cats in a trenchcoat standing on each other's shoulders, pretending to be a human, Vincent Adultman style.

You can get them standing side by side wearing trenchcoats. You can get a cat pyramid or a cat totem or a stack or tower of cats (though often the ability to count to three is then lost). You can't get them to share the trenchcoat. Nothing like that occurred in any training set, and the AIs do not understand spatial relationships between objects ("X is on top of Y, inside Z") so you cannot describe how to arrange the things it does know about in the scene. Dall-E won't do it. Midjourney won't do it. Stable Diffusion won't do it.

Eventually, enough images will be seeded into the training sets for this to stop being a useful test. But right now, it gives one a fascinating window on what happens when you try to extrapolate outside the cloud of thingspace described by the training data, rather than just interpolating within it.

https://www.toothycat.net/~sham/trenchcoats

dafoex · 3 years ago
While I agree with you, and the article, that the larger problem is that the AI model simply hasn't experienced enough data to get an accurate grasp on the situation, or that the data was labelled in a way that influences the model's understanding, I think the problem here may be a human one. In the article update, the author says that they managed to craft a prompt that got the result they want by specifying the banana must be on its own. The model knows what a banana on its own looks like, but the human is expecting the model to "do what I mean" and getting frustrated when the model "did what I said". Now, I'll admit that I skimmed the last third of the article, but I didn't see any mention that things like Stable Diffusion and Midjourny have a syntax, saying "a single banana casting a shadow on a grey background" is different from "((single banana)), casting shadow, hard light, dramatic, grey background" for example.
dafoex commented on The Lone Banana Problem in AI   digital-science.com/tldr/... · Posted by u/JohnHammersley
jamesgreenleaf · 3 years ago
This is the biggest communication problem most people have.

Say it plain and simple. No one wants to read your train of thought.

dafoex · 3 years ago
Apparently those kinds of people consider you to be the one with the communication disorder. I consider them incapable of writing an abstract.
dafoex commented on Tik Tok is a national security threat   twitter.com/zachtratar/st... · Posted by u/Flatcircle
tablespoon · 3 years ago
> Okay lets make sure China can't do this through tiktok.

> Then lets make sure that domestic political groups can't do this through facebook, instagram and reddit.

Except that in one case, it's a foreign actor interfering with the domestic political process, and in the other it's a domestic actor arguably exercising their first amendment rights.

dafoex · 3 years ago
Facebook is foreign to me, and my country has no first amendment, we only allow their constant spying because we are part of the five eyes and it is beneficial for us to let the yanks do whatever the hell they want to us.
dafoex commented on Tik Tok is a national security threat   twitter.com/zachtratar/st... · Posted by u/Flatcircle
dafoex · 3 years ago
Why are they worried? If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear! Or does that only work when the Americans are spying on everything we say and do both online and off?

This is terrible, but its also karma.

dafoex commented on Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated   twitter.com/jonty/status/... · Posted by u/SerCe
dafoex · 3 years ago
There's an emoji for handgun, but Apple and other big tech decided it needed to be a water gun. There is also a rifle character intended to represent the sport of shooting in a pentathlon, but again Apple threw its weight around and, while the character became codified in Unicode, it never became an emoji and no font from big tech supports it.
dafoex commented on Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister   reuters.com/technology/ge... · Posted by u/dsnr
uniqueuid · 4 years ago
This will be interesting.

Some background for the discussion:

- Germany has a different take on freedom of speech from the US. There are things that you cannot say (holocaust denial, inciting racial violence). We can argue about this, but it's deeply ingrained in the legal system and unrealistic to change

- Germany has a special law regulating responsibilities and content moderation in social media (NetzDG, think section 230 but wider). This law - among other things - mandates content moderation and cooperation with law enforcement

- A key point in the debate surrounding Telegram is the question of whether or not it is a "platform", that is an open social network. Telegram argues that it's a messenger, but in practice, there are many open and public groups used for public debates. So Germany argues that it should be regulated in accordance with the NetzDG, which Telegram denies.

- Recently, there have been a number of death threats and criminal conspiracies which were orchestrated via Telegram; on top, a huge chunk of covid deniers and co are active in this space.

- Telegram so far has not cooperated at all (in contrast with other social platforms, even TikTok).

So in essence, this is currently a battle about the German government saying: Look here, you got a bunch of criminals and terrorists (literally, with weapons) on your platform, you need to do something about it.

[edit] Here is a report on the assassination plot and subsequent raids: https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/15/german-police-launch-rai...

dafoex · 4 years ago
I'm glad you've explained it. Maybe I'm being dumb, but I can't see where the article actually says what laws are being violated.
dafoex commented on The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)   staceyoniot.com/the-next-... · Posted by u/transpute
humaniania · 4 years ago
Saving lives isn't good enough for you?
dafoex · 4 years ago
Then make a dedicated fall detector and sell it to the elderly. They already make wrist bands with panic buttons that phone for help, put the sensor in the phone hub just in case they fall and lose consciousness.
dafoex commented on The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)   staceyoniot.com/the-next-... · Posted by u/transpute
hdjjhhvvhga · 4 years ago
I remember when first contactless payment options appeared, many people started buying anti-RFID wallets and bags. I'm not sure if they're still a thing, but the people who need "radio-privacy" will definitely find a way.
dafoex · 4 years ago
I have a few wallets with alleged RFID blocking. For those its mainly to stop arse grabbing attacks where card info (or security badge info) could be cloned with a little badge reader held in someone's palm.

u/dafoex

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