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chpatrick commented on Framework Laptop 16   frame.work/ro/en/laptop16... · Posted by u/susanthenerd
jvanderbot · 5 hours ago
It'd be nice if I could upgrade my old Framework into this spec. Infinitely upgradeable is nice on a per product line basis. But new product lines still lead to obsolescence and in this case regret.
chpatrick · 5 hours ago
You can upgrade your old Framework 16 to this. Framework 13 wouldn't work anyway because it's a different chassis.
chpatrick commented on Closing the Nix gap: From environments to packaged applications for rust   devenv.sh/blog/2025/08/22... · Posted by u/domenkozar
forrestthewoods · 2 days ago
Yes. The reason is that Linux made very bad design decisions.

> it’s not trivial to manage the whole environment needed to run the application

This is a distinctly Linux problem. Despite what Linux would lead you to believe it is not actually hard to run a computer program.

chpatrick · a day ago
Ok then where is the amazing non Linux deployment solution that everyone uses instead?
chpatrick commented on Closing the Nix gap: From environments to packaged applications for rust   devenv.sh/blog/2025/08/22... · Posted by u/domenkozar
forrestthewoods · 4 days ago
Pushing to another machine? Yes. By strict definition. Steam exists to sell pre-compiled proprietary programs for dollars.

Rebuilding? No. Linux package management is so-so at allowing you to compile programs. But they’re dogshit garbage at helping you reliably run that program. Docker exists because Linux can’t run software.

chpatrick · 3 days ago
Docker (and also Nix) exists because it's not trivial to manage the whole environment needed to run an application.

There's a reason everyone uses it for ops these days, and not some Windows thing.

chpatrick commented on Closing the Nix gap: From environments to packaged applications for rust   devenv.sh/blog/2025/08/22... · Posted by u/domenkozar
vilunov · 4 days ago
> Real life software is much more than just downloading a game and running it.

Real life software outside of Linux is pretty much just downloading and running it. Only in Linux we don't have a single stable OS ABI, forcing us to find the correct package for our specific distro, or to package the software ourselves.

chpatrick · 3 days ago
Maybe for desktop use but when you want to deploy something to your server it's a bit more complicated than that.
chpatrick commented on Closing the Nix gap: From environments to packaged applications for rust   devenv.sh/blog/2025/08/22... · Posted by u/domenkozar
forrestthewoods · 4 days ago
It’s a bloody shame that Linux is incapable of reliable running software programs without layers and layers of disparate, competing abstractions.

I’m increasingly convinced that the mere existence of a package manager (for programs, not source code) is a sign of a failed platform design. The fact that it exists at all is a miserable nightmare.

Flatpak and Snap tried to make this better. But they do too much which just introduced new problems.

Steam does not have this problem. Download game, play game. Software is not that complicated.

chpatrick · 4 days ago
Does Steam let you control the whole dependency tree of your software, including modifying any part of it and rebuilding from source as necessary, or pushing it to a whole other machine?

Real life software is much more than just downloading a game and running it.

chpatrick commented on Being “Confidently Wrong” is holding AI back   promptql.io/blog/being-co... · Posted by u/tango12
staticman2 · 4 days ago
Okay... I objected to your use of the word token. Humans don't think in tokens or even write in tokens so obviously what you wrote is not a fact.

That shouldn't even be controversial, I don't think?

You wrote "The text that comes out follows some statistical distribution".

At the risk of being over my head here did you mean the text can be described statistically or "follows some statistical distribution". Are these two concepts the same thing? I don't think so.

A program by design follows some statistical distribution. A human is doing whatever electrochemical thing it's doing that can be described statistically after the fact.

Regardless my point was pretty simple, I know this will never happen but I wish tech people would drop this tech language when describing humans and adopt neuroscience language.

chpatrick · 4 days ago
> Humans don't think in tokens or even write in tokens so obviously what you wrote is not a fact.

Doesn't matter what they think in. A token can be a letter or a word or a sound. The point is that the box takes some sequence of tokens and produces some sequence of tokens.

> You wrote "The text that comes out follows some statistical distribution". > At the risk of being over my head here did you mean the text can be described statistically or "follows some statistical distribution". Are these two concepts the same thing? I don't think so. > A program by design follows some statistical distribution. A human is doing whatever electrochemical thing it's doing that can be described statistically after the fact.

Again, it doesn't matter how the box works internally. You can only observe what goes in and out and observe its distribution.

> Regardless my point was pretty simple, I know this will never happen but I wish tech people would drop this tech language when describing humans and adopt neuroscience language.

My point is neuroscience or not doesn't matter. People make the claim that "the box just produces characters with some stochastic process, therefore it's not intelligent or correct", and I'm saying that implication is not true because there could just as well be a human in the box.

You can't decide whether a system is intelligent just based of the method with which it communicates.

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chpatrick commented on Being “Confidently Wrong” is holding AI back   promptql.io/blog/being-co... · Posted by u/tango12
staticman2 · 4 days ago
I really wish people into LLMs would limit themselves to terms from neuroscience or philosophy when descrbing humans.

You are in my mind rightfully getting pushback for writing "human experts also output tokens with some statistical distribution. "

chpatrick · 4 days ago
That's just a mathematical fact.

You have a big opaque box with a slot where you can put text in and you can see text come out. The text that comes out follows some statistical distribution (obviously), and isn't always the same.

Can you decide just from that if there's an LLM or a human sitting inside the box? No. So you can't make conclusions about whether the box as a system is intelligent just because it outputs characters in a stochastic manner according to some distribution.

chpatrick commented on Being “Confidently Wrong” is holding AI back   promptql.io/blog/being-co... · Posted by u/tango12
krapp · 4 days ago
That doesn't really prove anything. I could create a Markov chain with a random seed that doesn't always answer the same question the same way, but that doesn't prove the human brain works like a Markov chain with a random seed.

One thing humans tend not to do is confabulate entirely to the degree that LLMs do. When humans do so, it's considered a mental illness. Simply saying the same thing in a different way is not the same as randomly randomly syntactically correct nonsense. Most humans will not, now and then, answer that 2 + 2 = 5, or that the sun rises in the southeast.

chpatrick · 4 days ago
I'm not making any claim about how the human brain works. The only thing I'm saying is that humans also produce somewhat randomized output for the same question, which is pretty uncontroversial I think. That doesn't mean they're unintelligent. Same for LLMs.
chpatrick commented on Being “Confidently Wrong” is holding AI back   promptql.io/blog/being-co... · Posted by u/tango12
blueflow · 4 days ago
"The runway is free"

- Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten, respected aviation expert, 1977 teneriffa, brushing off the flight engineers concern about another machine on the runway

chpatrick · 4 days ago
Ok, so humans are also fallible. Your point being?

u/chpatrick

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