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alexkavon commented on Con Ed can’t explain what caused the Manhattan blackout   nypost.com/2019/07/14/con... · Posted by u/neom
Fjolsvith · 7 years ago
Meh. Its a numbers thing. 42nd Street, 42 years (to the day) since the last big blackout, 42k people without power.

What else does the number 42 signify?

alexkavon · 7 years ago
How many roads must a man walk down? What is 6 x 7? How many Vogons does it take to change a lightbulb? What's yellow and dangerous? [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_from_The_Hitchhiker%27...

yepthatsreality commented on Runs on the Librem 5 Smartphone – Week 2   puri.sm/posts/runs-on-the... · Posted by u/yepthatsreality
comex · 7 years ago
I agree with most of your post, but lacking apps is definitely a real problem.

As someone who preordered the Librem 5, I know I'm not going to get an operating system with the polish of iOS or Android. I'm willing to live with that; the phone is attractive for other reasons, both practical (easy to hack) and ideological (freedom!). Heck, even if the final product turns out so poorly that I end up never using it at all, I won't be too upset: even if my $600 didn't end up benefiting me personally, at least it went toward a serious attempt at achieving a worthy cause (an open phone).

Still, I would like to try actually using the phone as a daily driver, and for that to be viable, I'll need to be able to access the services I depend on. Luckily, I don't use that many services, and many of the ones I do use mostly have web versions; as much as I hate the experience of using webapps, I should be able to get by with them. But I can think of several that I'll have trouble accessing at all:

- 1Password

- iMessage (I guess I could try to set up the Matrix bridge.)

- Slack? Discord? (Both have desktop web versions, but not sure if they have usable mobile web versions. That said, I have bitlbee set up to connect to Discord already and I know there are bridges for Slack.)

I'm lucky that none of these seem to be hard blockers for me... but other people may not be so lucky.

And, well, if things work but are a poor experience, at some point I'll probably get fed up with it and switch back to my iPhone. Some people are more ideologically committed than I, but many are less. Though I'm not counting on it, I would love if Librem's OS gained momentum and became a sustainable ongoing project, rather than dying off as a prototype like so many prior attempts (webOS, Firefox OS, Ubuntu Touch, etc.). For that to happen, it will need users.

yepthatsreality · 7 years ago
If you’re not willing to give up certain tools, then this is probably not the phone for you. If you’re trying to replicate another system you will be disappointed. If you were to switch to Android you’d have the same issue with iMessage, so sacrifices need to be made regardless of platform.

I will probably be using slack still from my laptop which may be unacceptable for your needs. However if Slack’s electron app runs on Linux already it may already work on the Librem 5 on release. Maybe not in fancy phone UI mode but desktop mode?

TLDR; I don’t see apps as a blocker for me personally. I’m willing to give up a certain amount of tether for privacy. I don’t expect this phone to compete with the iPhone or Android devices for market share, nor should it have to compete.

alexkavon commented on Librem 5 July Update   puri.sm/posts/librem-5-ju... · Posted by u/pksadiq
mikece · 7 years ago
Have they said anything about PWA support? If PWA is supported and on par with Chrome on Android this would allow a lot of PWA-compliant web apps (like Twitter, Gmail, and many more) to be ready to go right away. While not "native" the app ecosystem would at least have a chance to be there at the time of release.
alexkavon · 7 years ago
They're working on a browser, so yes... I believe PWA will be possible since they're just rebranded HTML+JS apps.
alexkavon commented on Librem 5 July Update   puri.sm/posts/librem-5-ju... · Posted by u/pksadiq
woodrowbarlow · 7 years ago
the latest shipping update is still Q3 2019 (so 2-5 months away) and yet the marketing page still has a lot of hardware that is TBD: memory, cameras, and battery.

who wants to bet it will be pushed back to 2020?

alexkavon · 7 years ago
I've preordered and have no doubts in my mind that it'll be pushed back to Q4 or Q1/Q2 2020. I'm not really concerned about it releasing I think if they don't release it will be detrimental to the Purism image. Also I'm fine with the money I put down if it helps develop adaptive UI for Gnome and some better Linux driver support and nothing else. Hopefully we get a small Linux computer with a touch screen at the very least!
alexkavon commented on Librem 5 July Update   puri.sm/posts/librem-5-ju... · Posted by u/pksadiq
dmix · 7 years ago
Interesting, they are building their own mobile compositor based on wlroots: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/phoc

This is the right way to do an open source phone by adopting existing modern desktop Linux tech. Instead of going your own Androidy path like Sailfish/Jolla is doing.

alexkavon · 7 years ago
Yeah worst case scenario Gnome will be better off with some adaptive UI work.
alexkavon commented on Librem 5 July Update   puri.sm/posts/librem-5-ju... · Posted by u/pksadiq
alexkavon · 7 years ago
It looks like the UI is coming together nicely. My only question is what battery life will look like on these phones. I'm guessing terrible for the first gen.
alexkavon commented on Runs on the Librem 5 Smartphone – Week 2   puri.sm/posts/runs-on-the... · Posted by u/yepthatsreality
logicprog · 7 years ago
I want to like Librem's smartphone, I really do. I like having control over my software, and I like being able to really understand how it works and tinker with it and stuff. But I have this sinking feeling that the Librem 5 is just vaporware, or worse, that it'll get released with a half baked UI and a barebones list of apps. On that latter one, I really don't see how they'll fix the problem. On the former, the thing is that the affordences for bad UI design are a LOT tighter on mobile devices and it's taken a long time for desktop Linux to get their game together. Plus, all of Librem's other stuff is over priced and a bit cheap looking, and I'm not sure I want a phone like that.
alexkavon · 7 years ago
> On that latter one, I really don't see how they'll fix the problem.

I don't understand what the problem is exactly. There already exist phones that have the latest apps. I don't think Librem is trying to be a market leader, just build a device that's more open, so to say. The demographic isn't Google or Apple users, it's those who wish more control. They're not going to fix the app gap problem because it's not a real problem, it's a meaningless metric for phone advertisements. These videos are to demonstrate that they are working on filling the mobile usability gaps as well as building a phone that can run Linux software, not just mobile UI software.

alexkavon commented on Runs on the Librem 5 Smartphone – Week 2   puri.sm/posts/runs-on-the... · Posted by u/yepthatsreality
jijji · 7 years ago
Any demos of the phone making an actual phone call, sending an sms text message?
alexkavon commented on Runs on the Librem 5 Smartphone – Week 2   puri.sm/posts/runs-on-the... · Posted by u/yepthatsreality
dmix · 7 years ago
GTK for a smartphone is an interesting choice. I'm curious if the Gnome team would ever commit to this.

The use of a stylus in the video is a bit concerning though.

Off topic but I hope Librem releases a high-end laptop in addition to their mid-tier one, ideally with a high performance AMD CPU. Something that could be the open-source friendly version of a Macbook Pro.

The way they disable Intel ME and add hardware toggles for webcams/microphones, and their general good taste is a big draw for me.

Edit: looks like Gnome is backing Purism's project. Neat. https://www.gnome.org/news/2017/09/gnome-foundation-partners...

alexkavon · 7 years ago
I believe they're working with the Gnome team on this, as well as support for Plasma Mobile.[0]

[0] https://puri.sm/posts/gnome-and-kde-in-pureos-diversity-acro...

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