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abhishaike commented on Mapping the off-target effects of every FDA-approved drug in existence   owlposting.com/p/mapping-... · Posted by u/abhishaike
pfisherman · 2 months ago
This article kind of grinds my gears. I feel like there is an unstated assumption that people in pharma R&D are idiots and haven’t thought of this stuff.

Pharma companies care very much about off target effects. Molecules get screened against tox targets, and a bad tox readout can be a death sentence for an entire program. And you need to look at the toxicity of major metabolites too.

One of the major value propositions of non small molecule modalities like biologics is specificity, and alternative metabolism pathways; no need to worry about the CYPs.

Another thing they fail to account for is volume of distribution. Does it matter if it hits some receptor only expressed in microglia if it can’t cross the blood brain barrier?

Also the reason why off targets for a lot of FDA approved drugs are unknown is because they were approved in the steampunk industrial era.

To me this whole article reads like an advertisement for a screening assay.

abhishaike · 2 months ago
>molecules get screened against tox targets

sure! i cover this in the essay, the purpose of this dataset is not just toxicity, but repurposing also

>toxicity of major metabolites

this is planned (and also explicitly mentioned in the article)

>no need to worry about CYP’s

again, this is about more than just toxicity

>volume of distribution

i suppose, but this feels like a strange point to raise. this dataset doesnt account for a lot of things, no biological dataset does

>advertisement

to some degree: it is! but it is also one that is free for academic usage and the only one of its kind accessible to smaller biopharmas

abhishaike commented on Cancer has a surprising amount of detail   owlposting.com/p/cancer-h... · Posted by u/crescit_eundo
epistasis · 2 months ago
Thanks for your posts! I've been very impressed with your ability to both be at the leading edge of knowledge and communicate the parts that are most interesting for a broad technical audience, it's an impressive skill.
abhishaike · 2 months ago
<3 high praise, appreciate the kind words
abhishaike commented on Cancer has a surprising amount of detail   owlposting.com/p/cancer-h... · Posted by u/crescit_eundo
epistasis · 2 months ago
This is one reason why I'm so frustrated by the "cancer research is not reproducible" news stories that get out.

Not because cancer studies actually are reproducible, but rather because the reason they are not so often reproducible often comes down to the high complexity of the disease.

You grow your HCC1139 cell line in your lab, with your own supply of reagents, and you might get very different gene expression profiles of a lab in a different country growing HCC1139 cell lines on their own supply of reagents. There's so many subtleties in what is going on underneath in these systems that getting them right is insanely hard.

We don't know all the inputs, all the variables, that influence results. Getting the same result in one lab three times doesn't mean that another lab will get exactly the same results. But until we publish the results, we won't know what does and doesn't reproduce, unless there's that stake in the ground and a concerted effort to spend the highly limited time focused on pushing forward the boundaries of knowledge, we won't know.

So even if a broad range of hundreds of wet lab techniques, across thousands of experimental systems, doesn't always get the same result in different hands, unless we start to push at the amount of detail going on we'll never understand how to start to treat all these things.

Anyway, that's my rant, and I can understand why outsiders are concerned about individual cancer research experiments not reproducing at a very high rate, but I think it needs to be placed in this sort of context, where we only have measurement tools for a tiny fraction of what's going on, and need to still discover all the unknown unknowns.

abhishaike · 2 months ago
I completely agree, but I also think there is some truth to the related statement: 'cancer research often isn't conducted in a way that is actually useful'!

For example, in-vivo tumor experiments in mice can yield completely different results depending on exactly where the tumor was implanted. E.g. a 'lung cancer mouse model' may have the lung cancer injected just under the skin, also known as subcutaneous tumor models, instead of in the lung! Entirely because it's a lot more efficient + yields more trustable data, but the results are often deeply disconnected from how the tumor would naturally grow + respond to drugs within its host organ.

abhishaike commented on Cancer has a surprising amount of detail   owlposting.com/p/cancer-h... · Posted by u/crescit_eundo
abhishaike · 2 months ago
thanks for posting this here!
abhishaike commented on RNA structure prediction is hard. How much does that matter?   owlposting.com/p/rna-stru... · Posted by u/abhishaike
Cosi1125 · 3 months ago
OP, one small correction: the abbreviation of "long non-coding RNAs" is lncRNA (lowercase "L"), not "IncRNA".
abhishaike · 3 months ago
Fixed!

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