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Skiiing commented on FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'   reason.com/2022/04/08/the... · Posted by u/fortran77
tomohawk · 4 years ago
What's actually disturbing is that more than 90% of the time this would be a "no knock" raid with paramiliterized police smashinng down the door, tossing in flash-bang grenades - the works. No knock should be reserved for extreme situations, not the norm.
Skiiing · 4 years ago
I'm not from the USA, does the FBI usually throw in grenades when arresting people for insurance fraud? If not, then perhaps other lower-quality social-media websites such as Reddit/Twitter might be more receptive to your comments?
Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
philosopher1234 · 4 years ago
Skiiing · 4 years ago
By strong evidence I was hoping you'd link to the bill, or to factual reporting from a credible mainstream newspaper.

If you're getting news from strongly opinionated talking-heads, then that might explain the disconnect.

Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
tomrod · 4 years ago
I don't read too much of PG's recent work. Does he attack classism with the same vigor as he does the left?
Skiiing · 4 years ago
It's telling that you interpret an attack on heresy as an attack on the left.
Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
ineptech · 4 years ago
> Up till about 1985 the window [of what you can say without being cancelled] had been growing ever wider. Anyone looking into the future in 1985 would have expected freedom of expression to continue to increase. Instead it has decreased.

I think that whether this is or true or not depends a lot on how you define your terms. If cancel culture only means "I expressed an unpopular opinion about gay rights on TV and then lost my job", then yes, the window is narrower now than in 1985. But if it also includes "I expressed an unpopular opinion about gay rights in a bar and then got beaten up," it is not.

Skiiing · 4 years ago
The article was about heresy which he defined as a factually correct statement that will destroy your life if stated. It wasn't about being an unpleasant person with unpopular opinions.
Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
Avshalom · 4 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Stat...

just sayin'. maybe 1985 sucked a lot for a lot of people that weren't paul graham.

Skiiing · 4 years ago
The article was about heresy, not attitudes to gay people. I'm not sure why people are trying to conflate the two.
Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
softwaredoug · 4 years ago
In the 90s and 2000s it would be “heresy” to be a gay or transgendered person. I remember sadly how people in hushed tones would talk about coworkers.

There was a bro-y norm to engineering culture that you didn’t defy very easily.

I'm a bit surprised how easily people forget these things.

Skiiing · 4 years ago
Are you talking from a US/European perspective? Being gay was entirely open and mainstream in the 90s/2000s. Although I'm not sure what that has to do with heresy which was the topic of the essay.
Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
scarecrowbob · 4 years ago
Feeling that there are more "heresies" now than, say, 25 years ago says a lot more about the orthodoxy of ones' opinion than it says about the state of the world.
Skiiing · 4 years ago
I don't think you need to put "heresies" in vague quotes. He's defined it quite clearly as factually correct statements which will destroy your career and social life if stated.
Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
philosopher1234 · 4 years ago
The issue isn’t consequences for speech. Conservatives like Paul Graham are perfectly fine with consequences for certain kinds of speech (speaking out against a company in his portfolio, for instance.)

The issue under debate is what kind of speech merits what kind of consequence. The idea that there should be no consequences for speech oils only remotely believable when you are a member of the white, cis, wealthy class who’s lived without consequence for speech for their whole lives.

Skiiing · 4 years ago
The article was about heresy which he defines as something which is factually true, not generic notions of free speech.

If I can respectfully say something here: you're making sweeping statements about people based on their race etc. It's going to be difficult to make persuasive arguments if that is your debating starting point.

Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
philosopher1234 · 4 years ago
Read the news some time.
Skiiing · 4 years ago
I consume a wide range of media every day and I've never seen a bill that "restricts voting access for people of color". It's an extraordinary claim so you would to need provide strong evidence, rather than being dismissive.
Skiiing commented on Heresy   paulgraham.com/heresy.htm... · Posted by u/prtkgpt
tptacek · 4 years ago
I wrote a comment here about how the term "heresy hunter" is a good example of what I'm talking about, bad writing because "heresy hunting" is a clunky made-up term, and there are much better, more vivid words to use instead. But, it turns out, there is a lot of writing about "heresy hunting" out on the Internet --- in Evangelical Christian theology. Maybe that's what happened? Maybe Graham is born again?
Skiiing · 4 years ago
You're hinting that most accusations of heresy come from the right (evangelical christians), rather than the left. This almost seems absurd to me, as someone who consumes a wide range of news media every day.

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