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RonanTheGrey commented on ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies   news.umich.edu/extremely-... · Posted by u/rbanffy
slg · 5 years ago
A free and open internet also allows propaganda and hate to flourish which are two bedrocks of most authoritarian and nationalist regimes. It isn't as simple as ending censorship will allow everyone to be free.
RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
I'm curious -- what are you hoping that argument will accomplish?

Freedom of ANY kind allows bad things to happen. The most secure world is one in which we are all locked up, nobody ever interacts, and are only fed via tube from their government provided feeder in their government provided cube.

Since I'm fairly sure that isn't what you're advocating, please, explain what you're hoping to accomplish by stating that a free and open internet is a problem.

RonanTheGrey commented on ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies   news.umich.edu/extremely-... · Posted by u/rbanffy
donw · 5 years ago
Ten minutes of thinking gave me:

(1) Identification of potential dissidents. Those who violate lockdowns or mask orders are most likely to resist state control.

(2) Normalizing control over common activities. It takes four weeks to normalize a new habit. "Two weeks to stop the spread" has been going on since March (that's thirty-two weeks and counting). Americans are now habituated to state-controlled social behaviors.

(3) Destruction of in-person social channels outside the sphere of state electronic surveillance.

(4) Normalizing fear of non-conformists ("you're killing grandpa").

(5) Destruction of non-sanctioned economies. Global companies have effectively been part of the state for decades, and can easily weather the storm. Smaller businesses can not, which dries up cashflow outside of state-approved channels.

RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
I keep asking people to explain why they downvote posts like yours and nobody wants to. I guess they know the reasons aren't good, they just can't help giving in to the desire for control.

Beautiful list though and well said. I've been trying to think of a succinct way to summarize some of those concepts and I think you've broken them up well.

RonanTheGrey commented on My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone   medium.com/modern-parent/... · Posted by u/Macuyiko
pwinnski · 5 years ago
I'm sorry, I fail to see how providing a counter-example to someone pooh-poohing phone use by children is now analogous to advocating for productive cocaine use.

It seem unproductive to deal with bizarre flights of fancy on the part of HN commenters, so I'll get back to my phone or something else productive now.

RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
I explicitly added the disclaimer to preempt your attempt to ignore my question, which you did anyway. Fantastic.

You know exactly what I was trying to say. ONE counter example to a statistic doesn't invalidate the statistic and you were trying to say that just because very very very rarely someone makes productive use of their phone (one out of millions), that therefore there's no problem with how people use phones. Even you have to see how that argument misses the mark.

RonanTheGrey commented on DEA Pursues Vast Expansion of Patient Surveillance   filtermag.org/dea-expand-... · Posted by u/walterbell
megiddo · 5 years ago
All the responses are about legality or process.

I mean, if we're going to defund the police, you can't pick a better target than the DEA. Just get rid of them. They represent everything that's wrong with moral policing.

In an ideal world, they would be defunded, the department's charter revoked by congress, and every employee investigated for criminal activity. See if they like a taste of the same bullshit they dish out to the rest of the country.

RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
At the risk of a reddit-style comment: "Yes please."

Honestly just reverse the drug bans, treat them life public health problems, and disband agencies like this. Nothing good has ever come out of giving government agencies this kind of power and this kind of mandate.

RonanTheGrey commented on My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone   medium.com/modern-parent/... · Posted by u/Macuyiko
jasonv · 5 years ago
I have an almost 17 year old who doesn't want a smartphone.

He plays Minecraft/KSP about 90 minutes each night.

But he'd always, always accept an offer to do something else with me or someone else in the family.

So I make sure, as his father, to make that offer sometimes. And I also feel fine if I'm feeling like a book or a movie or something else.

Not all kids become [insert teenager cliches] upon the onset of teenage-dom, for all the different reasons this can be true... but when I was his age, I definitely defaulted to getting on the computer instead of doing other things.

I do think it's interesting how little discussion there is in culling digital behaviors moreso during pandemic times. I personally don't have a lot of interest in any of the new iPhones because my iPhone mostly lives on my desk at home. It hardly ever gets out.

RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
How the hell did you manage this. Honestly what's your secret. I need to make sure my kids turn out this way.

I want tech to augment their lives, not replace them (or destroy them).

RonanTheGrey commented on My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone   medium.com/modern-parent/... · Posted by u/Macuyiko
pwinnski · 5 years ago
Sure, but I'm not saying "everybody should try streaming for a living." I'm saying it's not true that kids using iPhones is always a dead-end timesuck.
RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
You're taking one example and generalizing it. I'm sure someone did something productive with cocaine once too, but that's not generally its outcome. (just a random example that occurs to me, I do not agree with the "War on some drugs" btw it was just an example)
RonanTheGrey commented on My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone   medium.com/modern-parent/... · Posted by u/Macuyiko
greysonp · 5 years ago
A lot of the comments here seem to be saying that (1) kids getting addicted to phones is no different than getting addicted to TV, books, etc, and that this is just the latest iteration of a complaint parents have had for generations and (2) this person is a bad parent.

I used to agree with (1), but lately I'm inclined to think that this time, it really is different. Very different. And the primary reason is that unlike TV and books, this is an interactive device explicitly designed to manipulate our psychology into using it more, on a scale we've never seen before. Books never had thousands of engineers observing realtime metrics to make small tweaks to make you use something just a little bit longer. TV isn't a bi-directional communication platform that has thrown teenagers into an arena where they're communicating with thousands of people at a time when they're still figuring out how to communicate in small groups.

Regarding (2), I think people are being far too critical. The author acknowledges many of their own missteps, and they're also going through a time where, iPhone or not, their daughter is growing apart from them, and I imagine that's very difficult emotionally. I also feel like they really humanized how budging a little bit on rules here and there can spiral out of control, and how that feels. I really appreciated that perspective.

RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
I was 100% convinced my kids won't get these devices until their very late teens, when I saw how my less than 1 year old reacted to the phones my wife and I use. Because his reaction is pure instinct, the dopamine response just to the colors and brightness was shocking.

We now have to work HARD to keep these devices away from him. Part of it, of course, is he observes how much attention we pay them but his eyes definitely light up differently when they are turned on. And that's without the manipulative, 1000-engineers-optimizing-for-your-addiction software built into them.

I honestly find it harder and harder to believe these things do anything positive for us. I 100% believe they can I just think we've turned them into something ugly, right now.

RonanTheGrey commented on My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone   medium.com/modern-parent/... · Posted by u/Macuyiko
TeMPOraL · 5 years ago
If neural lace's primary use is going to be participation in the global network of advertisement-funded Skinner boxes, then honestly, I won't be getting one myself, despite how hyped I am about brain-computer interfaces in general.
RonanTheGrey · 5 years ago
This is how these things always go isn't it? We invent this incredible technology that augments what we do, what we can be, what we can learn, and what we can believe...

and then we turn it into an almost-exclusively advertising tool designed to convert a human being into a money making machine.

It's one of the reasons I'm not enthusiastic about technology anymore. I see what we do with it. Every. Single. Time.

It makes me sad. All the lost potential.

u/RonanTheGrey

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