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Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
SirMaster · 2 hours ago
I love my Logitech G603.

Was like $50 new, so nothing too expensive, has LIGHTSPEED wireless which has super low latency, but also has bluetooth in case you forget the dongle or can't use it for some reason. Or it's also really convenient to switch the mouse between 2 computers simply by pressing the button on the bottom, and it instantly switches.

Uses the HERO sensor which is really power efficient and has a slot for 2 AA batteries of which you only need to actually install 1. Lasts several months off a single AA battery, and also so I just use those rechargeable AA batteries with built in USB port under the cap, so I can just charge it from the computer if I need a little more juice.

Perz1val · 2 hours ago
I've modded it. The main switches are on separate, one sided PCB's and are easy to solder. Side switches are not standard, they're lower profile. Scroll and DPI switches are on the main PCB with a huge ground pad on one pin, I recommend just using a destructive method when removing them, or just leaving them alone. When it starts double clicking, just go for the swap. There's plenty of switches with different feel to choose from. Before disassembly get a set on new skates, you'll need to remove those long ones to get to the screws, they get wonky, don't slide as good anymore.
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
LordDragonfang · 3 hours ago
My main workflow mouse has been the Logitech g600 for years. I love having 24 different macro keys accessible with my thumb (stuff like copy/paste, ctrl+w, ctrl+shift+t, enter, etc), but it's terribly un-ergonomic and the software is terrible (and doesn't let you configure settings except through its eye-watering UI). And afaict, Logitech actually stopped making them, so I have to snap them up whenever resellers put one on Amazon, since the main mouse button switch has a nasty habit of starting to double click after too long.

It's to the point where I'm considering just commissioning a hardware hacker to make me a custom mouse.

Perz1val · 2 hours ago
I highly recommend swapping switches, it's a noticeable upgrade
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
justinparus · 2 hours ago
Had a G602 for many years, and then migrated to M720 triathlon. I like the G series ergonomics, but the G604 kept breaking on me. M720 has treated me well so far and support for standard battery cells is very nice.
Perz1val · 2 hours ago
What broke? You can replace the switches, stock omrons are pretty garbage and it's super common for them to break.
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
lvl155 · 3 hours ago
Logitech still refuses to make USB-C dongle/receiver. And every time I bring it up there’s always someone who says use USB-A. Yeah, duh. I am forced to use it. Five years ago they tried to make it sound like it was the USB-C standard but Lenovo has since proven that theory wrong since they have a USB-C receiver. I don’t like Chinese copycats but Logitech’s stupid marketing department is the reason why I don’t mind the Chinese ripping them off.

Edit: I am wrong. They recently released USB-C receiver after years and years of refusing to make one.

Perz1val · 2 hours ago
The bolt USB-C receiver is only for bolt devices. Logitech has THREE incompatible wireless technologies. The unifying receiver and G series receivers are apparently the same one with different firmware. It has a few wireless channels and unifying uses 1 per device and G uses all for one device (faster pooling for gaming). Then there's Bolt that is something else and just a few devices connect to it. Idk if they plan to move everything to Bolt, but as of now all three live parallel to each other.
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
kevin_thibedeau · 3 hours ago
> $200+ for a hot-air rework station

The [insert random brand] 959D rework stations run around $55 and are suitable for hobbyist use.

Perz1val · 2 hours ago
I love the [random brand] [number] stations naming, it's so funny.
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
thimabi · 4 hours ago
I wish I had the money and the know-how to do things like that. In a world where many companies are downright hostile to user needs and preferences, we need more DIY electronics — not less.
Perz1val · 2 hours ago
Only thing that's expensive is you breaking the mouse in the process.
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
demarq · 4 hours ago
I modded mine to remove the friction in the middle wheel. But switching the switches is next.

If there’s one product that absolutely needs to be shamelessly ripped off it has to be this one. It’s a mouse so close to perfection it boggles the mind why Logitech wouldn’t go the last mile.

Manufacturers in china, if you see this, do the thing!

Perz1val · 2 hours ago
Haha, I've done switches in multiple mice (see my large comment here), but I'm yet to mess with the encoder. I don't want it totally smooth, just smoother and quieter, do you know if there are any options? Are even encoders interchangeable mouse to mouse?
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
bitwize · 2 hours ago
Wired USB or gtfo. Currently rocking a Kensington wired trackball. Honestly I miss the days of systems whose latency was constrained by c -- and not much else. It is literally impossible to get a modern system with a MIDI clock as rock-solid as the Atari ST was.
Perz1val · 2 hours ago
Wasn't the CPU clock number entirely made up for some time? Afaik on old systems one cycle was one cycle and it lasted as long as frequency implied. Now it's... complicated
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
jcuenod · 4 hours ago
I would _love_ to see more DIY mouse options. I feel like the mechanical keyboard crowd has so many options.

I've been dreaming of a set of lego-style bits of a mouse that can be assembled together... want another button? here you go. Want it on the side? Modify the 3D print file. Want bluetooth? Use this board... Want USB-C? Use that board... Want both? We've got you covered... Want a hyper-scroll wheel? Well, Logitech has a patent on that one, but here's the closest thing you can get on a DIY mouse. Now click these buttons in the configurator and hit "upload", and the firmware is installed to use your new mouse on any machine.

Perz1val · 2 hours ago
There's a YT channel called optimum and he made his perfect mouse and brought it up to a product stage. It may give you some ideas (like the sensor PCB is a set you can buy). https://youtu.be/oMUEsz71_xQ
Perz1val commented on Building the mouse Logitech won't make   samwilkinson.io/posts/202... · Posted by u/sammycdubs
Perz1val · 3 hours ago
My chosen mouse (for now) is logitech G305 with silent switches swapped in. I've one with Huano (brown case, bright dot) and one with Kailh (the grey cube with big round, red dot). They feel different, both will be weird if you're used to stock, clicky omrons. I've also replaced the side switches, scroll switch and DPI switch (6 in total).

Kailhs have a sharper click feel, travel is smaller than stock. Huanos feel like they have more travel than stock, with a very long (soft?) tactile bump. Kailhs are marginally quieter. I don't prefer either, both are so much nicer than stock. I highly recommend swapping mouse switches, the stock omrons that logitech (and others) put in are loud, rattly trash. Huano makes really good clicky switches too. The good thing is that you can upgrade (fix) after the inevitable death (more likely double clicking than not clicking at all) of the stock ones. You'll likely want to buy both, because you will need (at least for G305) a square footprint switch to put under the scroll wheel. Kailhs despite being square and 2 pin, work fine for the main switches that have a 3 pin footprint. The third pin doesn't do anything.

I've not experimented with nor researched the scroll encoder yet. Maybe there are quiet options to swap in. It's not bad as is, but it'd like something quieter with softer jumps.

Except the obvious tools for soldering, don't forget to buy a new set of skates, because the screws will be under them. If the mouse is new, you might be able to unstick them intact. If it's not, you'll likely bend them and it won't glide as good.

About the mouse - I just like the shape of G305, the wireless is good and with a lithium battery it is pretty light and lasts a long time.

Lithium cells are like 7x the price, last maybe 2-3x as long, but are like 7-10g lighter, for mice get them only for weight reduction or working in cold places. People say Energizer ultimate lithium are the best, in my experience they last longer than lithium cells from Varta.

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