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DangerousPie commented on Let me pay for Firefox   discourse.mozilla.org/t/l... · Posted by u/csmantle
homebrewer · 2 months ago
Three examples off the top of my head — PostgreSQL, FreeBSD, and Debian — are doing just fine without someone "taking responsibility" (when have Mozilla's CEO ever done that?).

Debian has an elected leader that is not paid and has pretty limited authority overall.

There's also the Linux kernel, with Linus doing both managerial and technical work, running circles around Mozilla's leadership in both. He makes just a few millions per year, less than Baker did even two years ago AFAIK.

DangerousPie · 2 months ago
PostgreSQL is just a community of volunteers as far as I'm aware, not full-time developers employed by the project.

FreeBSD seems to have three paid directors: https://freebsdfoundation.org/about-us/our-team/

Debian has a leader and also seems to be more a volunteer organisation than a full company: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization

DangerousPie commented on Let me pay for Firefox   discourse.mozilla.org/t/l... · Posted by u/csmantle
lenkite · 2 months ago
I would happily pay monthly for Firefox - but not to Mozilla Corporation. Will Pay to developers, development support and operations - not to pad the CEO salary.
DangerousPie · 2 months ago
How are you expecting to run an entity with developers, support, and operations without any leadership?

I don't know if you have ever worked in a larger team that lacked someone to make decisions, take responsibility and set a strategy, but in my experience that is almost always a disaster.

DangerousPie commented on Let me pay for Firefox   discourse.mozilla.org/t/l... · Posted by u/csmantle
weego · 2 months ago
The sheer volume of sidequest projects they've put resources into that were clearly self-indulgence projects from internal staff, that had no obvious market need or target user-base put me off years ago.

They're kept in existence as a cost of doing business for the likes of Google, purely to ward off browser monopoly claims, and absolutely do not deserve to be taken seriously, or be given private funding.

DangerousPie · 2 months ago
They have cut back on those a lot now, haven't they?
DangerousPie commented on Let me pay for Firefox   discourse.mozilla.org/t/l... · Posted by u/csmantle
auxide · 2 months ago
The "paid Firefox" the author wants already exists, as LibreWolf ships almost the exact same code minus the telemetry, ads, and Google defaults for free. If people wanted that, they'd already be using it. The real problem isn't the business model, it's Mozilla's leadership, which has been compromised to hell and back at this point. No pricing experiment like this will fix the exodus.
DangerousPie · 2 months ago
Aren't they just piggybacking on Mozilla's work though? The point is to make the work that Mozilla is doing sustainable, not to pay someone else to ship a slightly modified version of it.
DangerousPie commented on Let me pay for Firefox   discourse.mozilla.org/t/l... · Posted by u/csmantle
delusional · 2 months ago
Yet we happily do that for everything else.

Either software developers have to figure out how to out compete the CEO ghouls (without becoming CEO ghouls themselves), or we just have to accept that the CEO ghouls will take their cut. There's no version of this where you can pay for a service, but also dictate how that money is spent.

DangerousPie · 2 months ago
Or in slightly less fatalistic words: In any entity with more than 1-2 employees you need someone to make decisions and be accountable for them. The normal solution is to have a director/CEO for this. You may be able to get away with paying them slightly less than market rates if they are doing it for a good cause, but if you want someone competent you will need to pay them a relatively high salary to compete with other employers.

Expecting Mozilla to somehow function without a CEO, unlike pretty much every other charity in the world, is just not reasonable.

DangerousPie commented on Accountability Sinks   250bpm.substack.com/p/acc... · Posted by u/msustrik
DangerousPie · 4 months ago
Interesting article, but picking Johnson and Cummings's handling of Covid as a positive example is a very odd choice, given their falling out and the numerous corruption allegations and parliamentary inquiries into their actions since then.
DangerousPie commented on I can't pay rent because devs just don't care   happyfellow.bearblog.dev/... · Posted by u/kugurerdem
DangerousPie · 4 months ago
Sounds like all of this could be solved by not manually paying your rent at the last minute?
DangerousPie commented on Read the Obits   thereader.mitpress.mit.ed... · Posted by u/EA-3167
ghaff · 4 months ago
The Economist obits are especially worth reading.
DangerousPie · 4 months ago
They are also available as part of their excellent (and free) The Intelligence podcast. Always worth a listen.

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