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sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
14.4 is a maintenance release. If you're installing FreeBSD today, use 15.0

Why FreeBSD ?

- Well manicured OS, excellent docs. More performant than OpenBSD in every way and approaches Linux performance in some areas (e.g. Networking)

- FreeBSD tends to have fewer features in almost all areas compared to Linux which makes it more approachable and more difficult to mess up.

- Though it has fewer features, it still has a lot of features -- many big companies (Netflix most famously) still use it today for critical functions.

- FreeBSD Kernel and Userland developed together -- it has got that undefined "cohesive" feel

- Has less layers of abstraction than Linux, gets the job done. Because there are fewer layers it's easier to understand what is going on and potentially easier to fix.

- FreeBSD is great if you want to learn pf, zfs, ...

- Worth your while if you are bored of the Linux monoculture and just want to try something a bit different (but not tooo different)

- Changes slowly, so good for setting up on a server that you want to just leave running without too much maintenance

- Will increase your Linux skills because diversity always helps the human brain

- Very simple daemon configuration via /etc/rc.conf

- FreeBSD `bectl` controlled zfs boot environments are just so life changing and amazing. (this is possible via snapper on Linux + btrfs but needs complex installation and is not so integrated).

- FreeBSD will accept (smallish) PRs via GitHub if you find a minor bug. Otherwise it uses the decent Phabricator interface at https://reviews.freebsd.org . This is much better IMHO than the mailing list workflow of Linux. The barriers to contribution are lesser than Linux !!

- FreeBSD still has that warm fuzzy small "community" feel which I like

drewg123 · 5 days ago
If you're installing FreeBSD today, use 15.0

Or just run -current in production, like we do. See https://people.freebsd.org/~gallatin/talks/OpenFest2023.pdf

Or https://papers.freebsd.org/2019/fosdem/looney-netflix_and_fr...

throw0101d · 5 days ago
> Or just run -current in production, like we do.[0]

If you develop, it's probably best to do that against current [1], but if I'm running a web, mail, file, database, etc, server there is IMHO very little advantage to doing so. Most folks aren't trying to push >400Gbps.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4TZxj-Dq7s

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ0mvmZtbaY

asveikau · 5 days ago
Seems like the reason is to catch new bugs, fix them and upstream the fixes promptly, with a team of 10 doing that. Sounds awesome, but I could see other people just passively consuming stable.
craftkiller · 5 days ago
While I also use -current, I don't think this is good advice to the kinds of people who don't know if they should be running 14.4 or 15.0. There are caveats to running -current (for example, you need to disable the built-in debugging stuff on -current to get decent performance but the debugging stuff is already disabled on actual releases), so I think for new people it's best to recommend they use the latest release (15.0) and they can discover -current when they are more familiar with FreeBSD.
sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
Yes, FreeBSD current is quite usable. It's fun to start using the new features as they are added to kernel and userland immediately !
cperciva · 5 days ago
Yeah but nobody else has as many a FreeBSD developers on staff to fix stuff when it breaks. Or, you know, to run monthly stabilization weeks and extensively QA before deploying to a herd of cattle.

There are so many factors in favour of Netflix running 16.0 which don't apply elsewhere.

jedberg · 5 days ago
> and approaches Linux performance in some areas (e.g. Networking)

I started using FreeBSD 26 years ago when I worked for Sendmail, who had a couple of core committers on staff or staff-adjacent. Back then the refrain was "it can't do nearly as much as Linux, but what it does do it's much better than Linux".

And specifically it was known that if you wanted the best possible networking stack, FreeBSD was the choice to make (And also why Netflix uses it, for the networking stack).

All this to say, is it true that Linux now has better network performance, or did you mistype that?

sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
The networking subsystem is probably the place where FreeBSD is most competitive with Linux.

Linux just supports so much more hardware capabilities and fancy ways of doing things (e.g. io_uring, bpf logic in kernel etc.) that an expertly setup and tuned Linux system will probably exceed the networking speed of FreeBSD and provide more features while doing so. I'm not a networking expert by any means but this is what my understanding is.

I use FreeBSD for mostly for taste and the other reasons I outlined in my detailed answer above even though Linux is superior performance wise.

cperciva · 5 days ago
14.4 is a maintenance release. If you're installing FreeBSD today, use 15.0

This is not the recommendation of the FreeBSD project. (I would know, because I'm the person in the project who makes that recommendation where appropriate.)

Once X.1-RELEASE ships, (X-1).* is considered "legacy" and we recommend that it is used primarily for maintaining existing systems and that new systems are deployed with the newer major version. But at when it comes to 14.4 vs 15.0 we're not there yet; .0 releases are always a bit bumpy and it's very much a judgement call at this point about how much risk people want to take.

vermaden · 5 days ago
By the way - does 32bit packages 'problem' for WINE has been resolved on 15.x series?

On 14.x and older versions WINE brings `/usr/local/share/wine/pkg32.sh` to keep 32bit packages for WINE32 ... but 15.x does not build 32bit packages anymore ...

alwillis · 5 days ago
> and approaches Linux performance in some areas (e.g. Networking)

FreeBSD has been the gold standard for networking features and performance for decades; not sure I'd agree.

> FreeBSD tends to have fewer features in almost all areas compared to Linux

I'm not sure FreeBSD has fewer features in total but on a new install, many of them are turned off; it doesn’t mandate what should be running. There's a lot beneath the surface to get into.

> FreeBSD Kernel and Userland developed together -- it has got that undefined "cohesive" feel

Definitely! It feels like a single entity rather than a collection of components.

> Has less layers of abstraction than Linux, gets the job done. Because there are fewer layers it's easier to understand what is going on and potentially easier to fix.

Agreed. You can tell the FreeBSD developers attitude is to compose features using what the operating system already offers instead of creating new things from scratch.

> Very simple daemon configuration via /etc/rc.conf

I'd say in a good way; quoting from "Service Management: init vs systemd" [1]:

The comparison is best understood structurally. [FreeBSD](https://vivianvoss.net/dictionary#freebsd)'s init system is composed of precisely five elements: shell scripts, one library, one configuration file, one ordering utility, and the shell itself. Each is inspectable, replaceable, and debuggable with tools that predate the engineer using them.

[systemd](https://vivianvoss.net/dictionary#systemd) is composed of, well, rather more. The binary count stood at 69 in 2013, which prompted some concern. By 2024, it had doubled. The project absorbed fifteen distinct tools that previously existed as independent, single-purpose programs, each maintained by specialists who understood them intimately.

[1]: https://vivianvoss.net/blog/init-vs-systemd

sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
>> and approaches Linux performance in some areas (e.g. Networking)

> FreeBSD has been the gold standard for networking features and performance for decades; not sure I'd agree.

This is the accepted wisdom. But reality on the ground is that Linux has probably surpassed FreeBSD in this domain too. With bpf programs making dynamic packet steering decisions in kernel space, io_uring, support for every hardware networking enhancement under the sun and $$$ being spent by everybody on the Linux networking stack (to speed up AI training or supercomputer clusters for example) I doubt a highly tuned Linux box will be slower than the equivalent FreeBSD one.

(P.S. I'm not a networking expert. This is my assessment though. Someone well versed with networking on both FreeBSD and Linux should confirm on this !)

krylon · 5 days ago
> this is possible via snapper on Linux + btrfs but needs complex installation and is not so integrated

FWIW, openSUSE defaults to btrfs on the root filesystem and uses snapper in a very similar manner to zfs boot environments on FreeBSD. I don't have a lot of experience with the latter, but I have been running openSUSE Tumbleweed on my desktop and primary laptop for about 10 years now, and the btrfs+snapper arrangement has worked pretty well for me.

(I also run FreeBSD on my home server and just did the upgrade to 15.0 this weekend, which left me wondering why I had procrastinated this upgrade for so long. It went perfectly fine.)

LargoLasskhyfv · 5 days ago
> FWIW, openSUSE defaults to btrfs on the root filesystem and uses snapper in a very similar manner to zfs boot environments on FreeBSD.

CachyOS (Archlinux derivative) with either GRUB (since recently), or Limine Bootloader(since longer), too.

sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
Are you using pkgbase on 15 now or still using the old approach ?
ux266478 · 5 days ago
It's also worth mentioning that FreeBSD lives outside of Redhat's influence. If you find yourself lamenting the direction Linux is moving in, FreeBSD remains an attractive escape hatch. It's not perfect (rc.d is definitely not as nice as runit, it's still focusing on LVM filesystems for the future, last I tried to use OSS4 it had some issues), but I would be straight up lying to you if I implied these weren't kind of trivial in the grand scheme.
dismalaf · 5 days ago
Ish. Most FreeBSD installs still make use of stuff like Wayland and a lot of Linux parts.
pisikesipelgas · 5 days ago
I heard, that BSD is dying...
sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
NetBSD - situation does not seem that good. Project feels less active now.

OpenBSD - has a fanatical band of security obsessed users. Not going away anytime soon.

FreeBSD - It chugs along. Why is FreeBSD worth trying out ? See my reply above.

bell-cot · 5 days ago
"BSD is dying" has been a popular (at least with kids and trolls and Linux fans) jeer for the past three-ish decades.

The reality of it is kinda like "Buffalo Bills will win the Superbowl this year".

linguae · 5 days ago
I love the BSDs; I have the most experience with FreeBSD, I regularly use macOS, and lately I’ve been learning NetBSD due to its rumpkernel.

With that said, with the decline of commercial Unix and the dominance of Linux, POSIX, in my opinion, has become less important, and in its place Linux seems to be the standard. I prefer the BSDs to Linux due to its design and documentation, but Linux has better hardware support, and the FOSS ecosystem, especially the desktop, is increasingly embracing Linuxisms such as Wayland and systemd. The FOSS BSD ecosystems are too small to counter the Linuxization of the Unix ecosystem, and I feel that Apple does not pay much attention to the BSD side of macOS these days.

I don’t expect the BSDs to die, but I do believe they’ll need to find ways to adapt to an increasingly Linux-dominated FOSS ecosystem.

bigstrat2003 · 5 days ago
Has Netcraft confirmed it?
riley_dog · 5 days ago
Whenever people use unnecessary commas like this, I hear nothing but William Shatner in my mind.
hxorr · 4 days ago
Not until Netcraft confirms.
krylon · 5 days ago
...just as soon as Linux takes over the desktop! ;-)

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compass_copium · 5 days ago
>Will increase your Linux skills because diversity always helps the human brain

Is this still true, given how much runs through systemd now? I thought about trying out FreeBSD last time I got a new computer, but decided on sticking with Debian to help skill building on other Linux systems

sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
Diversity of programming languages, operating systems, cultures, human languages, countries, music etc. always gives a fresh perspective I've found. You may go back to what you prefer at the end but it gives you learnings that are at a "higher level" :-)

> Is this still true, given how much runs through systemd now?

Yes, still true. On FreeBSD you will realize what complexity systemd might be hiding from you and what additional features it provides. BTW I don't actually like rc init on FreeBSD that much ! I feel that rc.d can learn a lot from more modern init systems like systemd, dinit etc. I don't like reading highly complex rc scripts !!

SuaveSteve · 5 days ago
>Linux monoculture

How does Linux have a monoculture? You'd think it is anything but "mono" with all the distros.

corv · 5 days ago
Systemd comes to mind, although it wasn’t as dominant initially
throw0101d · 5 days ago
> How does Linux have a monoculture? You'd think it is anything but "mono" with all the distros.

The kernel, systemd, most mainstream distros use glibc, a whole bunch of GNU utilities, GCC being the default on many distros. Versus a different kernel, different libc, different utilities (gawk vs One True Awk), clang default.

sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
Yes, within Linux there is diversity -- I was not talking about that. The server space in 2026 is dominated by Linux.

Solaris ? Gone* WindowsNT ? Niche. HP-UX ? Gone* AIX ? Gone* macOS ? Not in server. FreeBSD ? Niche (smaller than WindowsNT though).

In another world there would be at least two open source server os-es battling it out (like in hardware where we have aarch64 vs x64 and so on).

(*) "Gone" means probably a rounding error by now.

rsync · 5 days ago
"14.4 is a maintenance release. If you're installing FreeBSD today, use 15.0"

Translation: whatever investments in time, tooling, training and documentation you made for 14.x, they were useful for about 18 months.

x.0 shouldn't be deployed in production because it is brand new ...

... but x.4 is too old to be deployed because the cool kids stopped working on the 'x' branch 6 months ago.

sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
> Translation: whatever investments in time, tooling, training and documentation you made for 14.x, they were useful for about 18 months.

Don't agree. Not too many differences between 15.0 and 14.x -- there are some changes -- mostly improvements and enhancements, many just internal but nothing that voids your pre-existing knowledge of FreeBSD or changes your approach drastically.

> x.0 shouldn't be deployed in production because it is brand new ...

Is that true ? Could depend on how conservative you are. 15.0 came out in ~Dec 2025 and we're now in March 2026... I'd say 15.0+latest security fixes/errata should be OK for _most_ people ? 15.1 should be out in June 2026 for those who absolutely insist on waiting...

fullstop · 5 days ago
Congratulations to the FreeBSD team! FreeBSD will always have a special place in my heart.
antonyh · 5 days ago
My next rebuild is likely to move from Debian to openSUSE Tumbleweed or FreeBSD. They fit better with what I want in an OS used for development purposes (needing newer versions than provided by Debian stable).

However... the lack of Docker on BSD is a deal breaker for some of my uses, jumping through hoops is possible, and moving to Podman might work but looks complicated to set up.

On the other hand, Debian 14 will remove GTK2 which breaks other things.

There's always a compromise.

basemi · 5 days ago
> Bhyve virtual machines can now share a filesystem with the host via the new p9fs

Nice!

colinhb · 5 days ago
Wild! Fun to see 9p filesystem protocol continue to have a life in this form.
martinrame · 5 days ago
Yea!, as far as I understand, with p9fs now a simple zfs dataset can be shared with the VM, removing the need of ZVOLs (a ZVOL for the boot disk isn't an issue, but for example a data disk of 1tb is difficult to manage).
jmmv · 5 days ago
Huh, in a point release?

But excited to try it out ASAP! I haven’t made the leap to 15 on my server yet (in part because I can’t decide whether to go with pkgbase or not…), but sharing data more easily with VMs will surely be nice.

What’s the performance like?

sidkshatriya · 5 days ago
> in part because I can’t decide whether to go with pkgbase or not…

pkgbase is optional in FreeBSD 15 BTW.

One way to upgrade the base system and another to upgrade packages just feels inconsistent to me and pkgbase finally resolves that. I've not had any problems with pkgbase. I love it and would highly recommend it.

throw0101d · 5 days ago
> Huh, in a point release?

MFCed (merged from current):

* https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=e97ad33a89a78f55280b...

ej31 · 5 days ago
It's the duct tape of filesystem protocols, in a good way.
slyfox125 · 5 days ago
For those who are only familiar with Linux (or Windows): don't relegate yourself to any one system. FreeBSD has its benefits and so does Linux (and Windows, though that shrinks by the day - and MacOS). Use the best tool for the job at hand and enjoy things for what they are. Personally, I find enjoyment and usefulness in all of them (BSD, Linux, Mac, Windows), and use them all regularly (daily to weekly).
HackerThemAll · 5 days ago
Apple should regularly donate to FreeBSD Foundation. They make countless billions USD thanks to FreeBSD. 1M or 5M a year would be a penny to them, but would be a world to the Foundation, which would be able to improve FreeBSD a lot.