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icegreentea2 · 9 days ago
Here's a paper (from July 2025) on previous steps in this program, getting up the initial testing in flight. Maximum uplink laser power of 20W, though they got good performance all the way down to 2W. The sat has a laser pointing down that was used to help lock on, but it's not clear if it has any meaningful downlink capability, all discussions are about uplink capability. Lots a nerdy details here.

https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/conference-proceedings-of...

In addition, here's a random paper on the testing performed on the space borne laser terminals - https://icsos2012.nict.go.jp/pdf/1569586689.pdf

This tells us that the laser terminals have a FOV of +/-2.5mrad in acquisition mode (so before lock on), and +/-0.5mrad in communication/tracking mode. This corresponds ~100km and ~20km radius FOV from GEO to surface.

dogma1138 · 9 days ago
Uplink alone can be significant for clandestine operations.

You can have a stealth drone which is effectively invisible to SIGINT transmitting real time intelligence to a satellite whilst either operating autonomously or receiving commands via a wide area encrypted broadcast (yes I know you can theoretically detect receivers through signal attenuation but at these distances it’s effectively impossible to do).

fc417fc802 · 9 days ago
> yes I know you can theoretically detect receivers through signal attenuation but at these distances it’s effectively impossible to do

Well if that's part of your threat model then you should also consider the RF put out by the motors. Remember the part where we densely blanked the inhabited parts of the world with highly sensitive antennas over the past 3 decades?

sleepy_keita · 9 days ago
They say "error-free connection", which implies 2-way communication, right?
Meneth · 10 days ago
"low-latency links", says the article. I wonder if they consider 500 ms ping to be low, or if they want to replace Geostationary with Low Earth Orbit.
adev_ · 9 days ago
> "low-latency links", says the article. I wonder if they consider 500 ms ping to be low, or if they want to replace Geostationary with Low Earth Orbit.

Directional laser beams are orders of magnitude to jam compared to radio wave. That alone makes it of big interest for military applications, even with 500 ms latency.

There is several known cases where jamming caused the loss of costly military drones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incid...

Laser comms could prevent that entirely.

shagie · 9 days ago
> Directional laser beams are orders of magnitude to jam compared to radio wave. That alone makes it of big interest for military applications, even with 500 ms latency.

I am reminded of RFC 1217 - Memo from the Consortium for Slow Commotion Research (CSCR) https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1217

    2. Jam-Resistant Land Mobile Communications

       This system uses a highly redundant optical communication technique
       to achieve ultra-low, ultra-robust transmission.  The basic unit is
       the M1A1 tank.  Each tank is labelled with the number 0 or 1 painted
       four feet high on the tank turret in yellow, day-glo luminescent
       paint.  Several detection methods are under consideration:

SlightlyLeftPad · 9 days ago
Could these not be jammed by blasting the same wavelength laser at said geostationary satellite?
fidotron · 10 days ago
Getting it to work with one end stationary first sounds like a reasonable development plan. LEO adds a lot of complexity, but with huge benefits.

OTOH the number of engineers that focus on throughput over latency is quite staggering.

IrishTechie · 9 days ago
I guess if your goal is just to stream aircraft telemetry and black box like recordings then latency may not be high on the agenda.
amarant · 9 days ago
Leo seems easier to me. Geostationary is really far away. Leo is much, much closer. It's easier to hit a buck thats running right past you than to hit a stationary target across the Atlantic.

Especially if you yourself are on a moving platform

pottertheotter · 9 days ago
I’ll take 500ms ping for those speeds while temporarily on a plane.
oofbey · 9 days ago
No doubt! I’ve measured literal 5 minute ping times on airplanes. 300,000ms. Where are the buffering the packets!?
rtkwe · 9 days ago
Geostationary is easier to hit than a LEO constellation like Starlink. With an LEO target you need to switch at least every 2-4 minutes, Starlink ground stations can switch multiple times per minute but that's for obstacle avoidance in the air you'd only have to switch when the current target moves out of LOS entirely.
myrmidon · 10 days ago
I'm really curious how the tracking works in such a system, and how "bad" the beam spread is (my impression is that from the diffraction limit alone the beam has to be spread over at least a ~10m radius after travelling 36000km).

Some info on the laser itself would also be very interesting (power? wavelength?).

Really cool project though!

amelius · 10 days ago
> and how "bad" the beam spread is

The spread makes the tracking easier, I suppose.

TimorousBestie · 9 days ago
Perhaps a little, however. Different paths through the atmosphere will perturb the phase of the signal; depending on conditions not all of that ~10m beam width is going to decode with an acceptable bit error rate.
mytailorisrich · 9 days ago
Tracking and actuation is nothing new or particularly challenging, IMHO. It's the laser/optical part combined with throughput at that distance that is the main area of R&D, I think.
Nevermark · 9 days ago
> downloading an HD film takes only seconds.

My apprehensions about living in GSO are over!

The rate that comms are colonizing orbit, or I should say the acceleration rate, feels like it can’t last for more than another decade or so before hundreds of thousands of satellites become each others Kessler nightmare.

But somehow, I expect systems will evolve to get much denser.

it’s probable not too early to consider future ring structures, for mounted satellites? Or an optimized distribution of long parking “star-bars”. As apposed to the free for all?

I expect reserved altitude shells, for space stations, depots and rocket/ship orbital maneuvers without the dodgeball.

tart-lemonade · 9 days ago
> These developments entail a future where travellers could enjoy reliable, high‑speed internet while flying, and where people on ships or in vehicles crossing remote regions can stay connected without interruption.

How reliable/feasible would this be on the ground? From what I understand, shining non-trivial lasers in the sky is a massive liability because of the potential to interfere with aircraft. I don't see anything about the wavelength used, but even if it's outside the visible spectrum, it would still be subject to interference from aircraft when used on the ground or at sea.

Jtsummers · 9 days ago
Optical links are being developed for use from fixed ground stations.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46709548 - Discussion from a month ago with several links for a recent example.

joezydeco · 9 days ago
It's being implemented. I thought I saw that Amazon Leo (nee Kuiper) was going to lean on it pretty heavily.

https://www.techbriefs.com/component/content/article/47300-u...

mynameisvlad · 9 days ago
That talks about inter-satellite links (which Starlink uses already). Parent comment asked about ground <-> sat
burnt-resistor · 9 days ago
I marvel at the ability to track a target in both directions ~40k+ km away while moving quickly (kinematic) considering atmospheric and relativistic effects.
db48x · 9 days ago
Some miniaturization required.