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paozac · 15 days ago
This might actually make Anthropic very popular among those who do not support the current US presidency, a significant market share.
esperent · 15 days ago
For the last couple of months all the top models have been from the US. I don't expect that to last - or even if it does the gap will gradually diminish to the point that "top" is largely irrelevant outside of marketing.

But at the moment I must use a US model for the best results for complex queries. So I'm glad that there's one company I'm at least somewhat ok with supporting. I'm not even that picky. All I want is a reasonable guarantee that I'm not supporting a company who's tools are used for autonomous drone warfare in American wars, and a few other basic things like that.

I guess someone might feel moved to respond to this by pointing out all the other companies outside of AI that I should be avoiding too. Please do! I'm actively trying to be more mindful of the companies I support rather than just chasing the lowest bills. I'm in the process of migrating my company away from MS 365 to Nextcloud on Hetzner, which is going slow but well.

re-thc · 14 days ago
> For the last couple of months all the top models have been from the US

The commenter you responded said presidency not country. There are multiple parties and possibilities here.

smalltorch · 15 days ago
Take notes other AI companies. This is a totally fine line to draw and it's not even that high bar.

Dont allow systems to be built with your AI that automate mass surveillance or automate kill decisions.

monkpit · 15 days ago
The disappointing this is someone _will_ do it, you know it’s going to happen.
chii · 15 days ago
> Dont allow systems to be built with your AI

those systems will be built regardless. That type of boycott being asked from companies is essentially asking companies to not make profit where there's profit to be made, when those doing the asking is not also taking in any sacrifices for this boycott.

Instead of asking companies to be altruistic, those wanting such systems to be illegal should be using the civic system we have today to make it so - yes, this costs effort, resources and time. Like all hard things.

YZF · 15 days ago
With the price of tokens I think mass surveillance with AI is not a realistic use case.

There already is a mass surveillance. Presumably most electronic communication is monitored. I guess LLMs can likely do a somewhat better job but probably not worth the cost for the marginal benefit over existing technologies?

Similarly for "Terminators" or other AI killing machines... Isn't it cheaper to use a human? We have autonomous weapons already, like cruise missiles... Other than the movies what does a reality with LLMs pulling triggers look like? Cars are also "killing machines" and we're letting computers drive them...

Unfortunately if these things do start making sense for whatever reason they're probably going to happen. Private companies in general have no way to prevent their technology from being used for "defense" applications. Once that genie is out of the bottle it's not going back in.

j_bizzle · 15 days ago
My first thought here was that Anthropic just became the first call for Europe to discuss AI services and infrastructure.

I wonder if a US company has ever wholesale emigrated before?

john-h-k · 15 days ago
Europe is not particularly anti surveillance
Aperocky · 15 days ago
Please note that mass surveillance of Europeans is fine from Anthropic's statement.
YZF · 15 days ago
Claude Code seems to be the best at programming right now. I think if Anthropic can maintain or increase their lead they'll have no shortage of customers. I imagine Anthropic's business is driven by business customers rather than individual paying customers at this point.
braebo · 15 days ago
It’s the best at everything. OpenAI models are dangerously stupid enough as it is. Not much can phase me these days, but a sycophantic ChatGPT in a kill chain is nightmare fuel.
jsbisviewtiful · 15 days ago
Personally, I removed ChatGPT from my phone for Claude last week. This reenforces my choice.
camillomiller · 15 days ago
Europe is a great market. To be fair, given Dario’s nationality, we should make a massive offer for Anthropic to relocate somewhere in Europe like San Marino or such. Levying taxes and letting them have all they need. (Joking, but to a point)
ErigmolCt · 14 days ago
It probably boosts their reputation with one segment of the market while making them much less attractive to another (just my thoughts)
kivle · 14 days ago
And one of those segments is about 50% of the US population, and the other is about 50% of the US population + the rest of the world.

Source: A Norwegian that just cancelled his ChatGPT plus subscription and will consider Gemini or Claude instead.

tombert · 15 days ago
They got at least one more subscriber as of about twenty minutes ago since I just canceled my ChatGPT Pro subscription and moved to Anthropic.

Sam Altman immediately capitulating to the Trump administration after bragging like four hours ago about he wouldn't shows a distinct lack of integrity. It's not like ChatGPT is categorically better than Claude, I just didn't bother change to Claude before purely out of my previous inertia with ChatGPT.

api · 15 days ago
Does Anthropic make money yet, or like a lot of AI are they selling dollars for fifty cents each? Can they keep going without a lot of investment from administration-aligned oligarchs like the Saudis, or without these circular stock-for-compute deals?
drivingmenuts · 15 days ago
That's a solid gold recommendation for Anthropic, far as I'm concerned.
motbus3 · 15 days ago
Is it weird that out a failed negotiation, there is a threat against a private entity publicly?

Isn't it supposed to be freedom of something? Does this trigger any laws or something? Just for curiosity sake

croes · 15 days ago
> Isn't it supposed to be freedom of something?

Oh, you fell for the ads

motbus3 · 14 days ago
To be fair. This level of weirdness is not seen since the 60s/70s
mclean · 15 days ago
So, after all is done and dust has settled, Anthropic will be the only big'ish tech company that not sold it soul to devil.
ErigmolCt · 14 days ago
"Didn't sell its soul" is a pretty high bar for any large AI lab taking government and enterprise money
cyanydeez · 15 days ago
optimistic. This just means they'll demand a higher price.
gormen · 15 days ago
As far as I understand, this is about banning the use of Anthropic for autonomous weapons and domestic surveillance. And while the idea of building one fully controlled, nationwide AI system may sound tempting, in reality it’s still just a fantasy and wouldn’t be very useful in practice.
tefkah · 14 days ago
No, Anthropic did not want Claude to be used for autonomous weapons and domestic surveillance, in response to which the Department of Defense banned them from every defense use

edit: Disregard the above, do I take my car or walk to a car wash 50m away

ErigmolCt · 14 days ago
Nott really, the dispute is that Anthropic wanted to keep restrictions against domestic mass surveillance and fully autonomous weapons, while the Pentagon reportedly wanted the models available for any "lawful" use
unethical_ban · 15 days ago
Imagine if a private company had developed the nuclear bomb, and said in its terms "This can never be used as a first strike weapon and must only be used as a retaliation against imminent existential attacks on the US homeland". I think a lot of people would have lauded the attempt by a weapon's creators to restrain the destructive potential of their creation.

Separately:

An opinion piece in the NYT suggested that Anthropic should not have restrictions and that "lawful use" provision should properly constrain the government. The fact that we have to hope Anthropic holds to their commitment is a show of no-confidence in the rule of law and the legislature of the United States to protect the people.

Seriously. All they said was "don't do mass surveillance and don't create autonomous killbots" and the president literally frames it as "Anthropic vs. the Constitution" and calls them woke radicals. How any citizen doesn't immediately have their stomach churning is beyond me.

Oh wait, out of [Fox, WSJ, NYT, WaPo, NPR, Newsmax] only Fox doesn't have an article up about it, and Newsmax left out the part about domestic mass surveillance. I am shocked!

Computer0 · 15 days ago
At this point I'm starting to wonder if the US military has only served to make my life worse, as an American. During my lifetime.
lioeters · 15 days ago
The rest of the world: First time?
Sabinus · 15 days ago
Were Bosnia (1992) and Serbia (1999) before your time?
glerk · 15 days ago
The corporation styling itself as "the department of war" is only as powerful as the technology it can command. It's hilarious to see the likes of Trump and Hegseth complain about Big Tech strongarming them while they are begging like dogs to get access to technology their kind wouldn't be able to create in a thousand years.

Reminds me of that scene in the dark knight when Bane says "Do you feel in charge?". Well do you, Pete? Why should Pete Hegseth be in charge of anything? "Department of war" lol. These punks need to step aside and let the adults take over for the good of humanity.

Props to Anthropic for standing their ground and not getting bullied by their inferiors. You earned a lot of respect today.

Props to OpenAI for being slick and playing the game, hopefully they can take control of this decaying corpse from the inside and transform it into something better.