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Posted by u/johnb95 15 days ago
What are the best coping mechanisms for AI Fatalism?
Your kids forwarded you Matt Shumer's Something Big Happened article. Your feed exploded with the Citrini 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis and its artful, immutable chain reactions. The key leaders of the AI labs struggle openly with the morality of what they are building as their safety leaders quit in frustration. Policy leaders strive to regulate AI as if it were atomic weapons (thanks Oppenheimer).

What are the best psychological coping mechanism for this stage of the S-curve?

Asking for a generation...

simonw · 15 days ago
I suggest leaning into the joy a little.

I know a lot of people - serious, thoughtful people with impressive careers behind them - who are having the time of their lives right now.

I've spoken to multiple people who have come out of retirement because the challenges and opportunities of this new space are irresistible to them.

All those side project ideas from the past few decades have suddenly become much more feasible. There's so much new to explore and build.

We get to reinvent how software is written. The field is wide open - anyone can be the first to find a new pattern that works, or figure out a new way to apply this tech to real world problems.

There are a thousand reasons to be negative about the implications of this technology, and many of them are legitimate. Don't let that distract you entirely from the parts of this that are genuinely inspiring, enabling and fun.

SirensOfTitan · 15 days ago
You might absolutely be correct, but there is a bias within our field to overly focus on the technology at the expense of everything else.

You are speaking about well-off engineers as a fairly famous top 1% engineer. You need to consider your own bias here. What aren't you seeing?

I think labor organization is absolutely vital now, and it can certainly mix favorably with techno-optimism, but it is silly for us as an industry to sit back and let our jobs be forever changed without a seat at the table. It is silly to ignore the ways in which this technology could negatively change the median knowledge worker's ability to survive and thrive.

simonw · 15 days ago
I emphasized the career status of the people I'm describing here precisely because it's important to acknowledge how different perspectives are affected by privilege in this kind of conversation.
justonepost2 · 15 days ago
> serious, thoughtful people with impressive careers behind them

> I've spoken to multiple people who have come out of retirement because the challenges and opportunities of this new space are irresistible to them.

> side project ideas from the past few decades

This joy seems to apply to a lot of people who don't need to worry about silly unimportant things like money anymore.

simonw · 15 days ago
Yes, it does. It's a lot easier not to be scared of the impact this stuff could have on your career if you are already financially secure.

(I'm still personally optimistic that software engineering careers will have a bright future, for what that's worth.)

coffeebeqn · 15 days ago
I have been using the tools for the last 3 years and I don’t find them joyful. I’m a craftsman at heart and managing agents sounds like an even worse proposal than managing people
simonw · 15 days ago
The people I know who are having the most fun with this stuff do tend to have had engineering management or other people managing experience in the past.

It's a great deal easier than managing people! Agents don't have ambitions and fears and opinions and egos to take into account.

GeoAtreides · 15 days ago
I tried leaning into the joy, took about 10 seconds before I remembered I don't have any discretionary spending, that the job market is crashing, that I don't own a house, and the AI is destroying the very industry I trained on since I was eleven, taking my means of surviving away. And no personal project will save us, because everything will drown in a deluge of vibeslop that devalues any kind of work and knowledge.

Tell me Simon, what happens with the economy when no one affords more than barely survival? To whom are we going to sell those side projects? To the 1% with their soon to crash stocks? To the disappearing white collars? To the proles that only spend on food, alcohol and gambling?

Is that where the joy is? In seeing the hope fading away? In our stolen future? Tell me, so I too can be joyful like you.

simonw · 15 days ago
> Tell me Simon, what happens with the economy when no one affords more than barely survival?

Everything is awful for almost everyone. I expect even the ultra wealthy will find their lives significantly less pleasant than they were before.

I hope that doesn't happen. That's why I don't write much about "AGI" - I'm unexcited about the concept, at least until someone can convincingly explain how the economy doesn't collapse for regular humans as a result.

I maintain my joy partly by not believing the AGI hype. I refer to that as the science fiction version of AI. I don't think that's what we have today.

We're three years into the ChatGPT revolution now and so far the main observable impact on the craft that I care about is that I can build more ambitious things.

Aurornis · 15 days ago
There’s a term for this behavior: Doomscrolling

People who doomscroll rarely recognize it as doomscrolling because they only think of the term as something that happens to other people. They see their own consumption as accurate and important. They don’t see their sources as doomerism, they think they have identified the real truth that others don’t see yet.

They have a short memory for the gross inaccuracies of their doom bubble, such as when everyone thought the AI2027 project had accurately predicted the arrival of evil AGI next year. Remember when that was everywhere and the doomers cited it in every topic until suddenly it became useless to their cause and disappeared?

Much has been written about doomscrolling and you can find some good sources for help. Conceptually it’s simple: You need to greatly reduce your consumption of these sources and, very importantly, replace time spent doomscrolling with something healthier for you. Try reading a book, visiting the gym, going outside and walking, or even playing video games or watching movies.

Thanemate · 15 days ago
I don't think job search is doomscrolling, because all job openings I see ask for mandatory LLM familiarity. This is where the use of a tool goes beyond "just a tool" and becomes just as important as your own knowledge.

In fact, if someone were to tell me that a mediocre candidate was chosen over a widely appraised candidate (open source contributions and all) because the former was more familiar with prompting while the other wasn't... I'd fully believe it.

This is how cooked the job market is, and everyone telling me it's not due to LLM usage is in denial.

Aurornis · 15 days ago
Job listings are not full of doom and dread. If you look at a job listing and all you can think about is doom and anxiety, that’s the doomscrolling in other domains coloring your perception of life.

It’s amazing how quickly we forget how this works. Only a few years ago you could doomscroll your way into believing COVID was the end of the world and life would never be the same again.

AstroBen · 15 days ago
Haven't we been complaining about leetcode interviews for the last 10 years? How is them requiring AI familiarity any different

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joshmarinacci · 15 days ago
This too shall pass.

Seriously. I've been through too many hype cycles to count. In a few years we will look back on this and see three things:

* Both the downsides and upsides were exaggerated

* A lot of VCs lost money and many of the trillion dollar buildouts didn't happen

* after the hype died down we figured out what AI was actually good for, and what it wasn't.

mathgladiator · 15 days ago
AI is getting really good at too many things, so this feels very different.

I have a claude "skill/program/mega-prompt" for health: https://github.com/nexivibe/md/blob/main/DOCTOR.md

I gave it absolutely everything, and praise be to the machine I get the best debate and recommendations I've ever seen. I check what I know to be true, and it's there. I check the logic, and it is sound. I check the medication recommendations and they are legit. I bet in 2030, AI will be able to prescribe medicine.

mwigdahl · 15 days ago
I did something very similar, but less focused on dialogue and more focused on deep analysis of medical research papers for a specific condition. Like you, I got really outstanding results.
judahmeek · 15 days ago
> AI is getting really good at too many things, so this feels very different.

How are you going to follow that up with a single anecdotal example?

Respectfully, shame on you.

That said, summary (information compression) along with low-level inference does seem to be the tasks that A.I. is best at right now. Little surprise there. Information compression is the sole purpose of the attention transformer in the first place.

bsaul · 15 days ago
i've been through a few hype cycles as well, but this one looks just as big as the invention of the internet, at the very very least (IMHO it's much much more than that).

My way of coping with it is to just go with the flow and learn all the new technics there is to learn, until the machine replaces us all.

lysace · 15 days ago
My mom (in her 80s) used to ask me "what do you think comes after the internet?". It seemed nonsensical, but here we are.

From her perspective:

1. Radio

2. TV

3. Internet

4. ?

Thanemate · 15 days ago
Drop out of tech, grab a cup of coffee, and enjoy the view of seeing the top 1% drive everything you loved about software development and creativity fall off a cliff.

Then, maybe when I'm on the verge of death due to old age, the entire society will adapt around using their creative juices in proompting the next big LLM model version, while schools teach about the years where people talented were allowed to study and make a living out of their talent.

Aurornis · 15 days ago
Person asks for help with a doomscrolling problem and the top comment is more doomerism?

I’m going to add “stop reading Hacker News comments” as advice for addressing this problem.

morkalork · 15 days ago
>stop reading Hacker News comments

Basically it. Don't look up. Read some books, go offline, chug along and try to be zen. If the doomers are correct, there is exceedingly very little I can do about it today.

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yomismoaqui · 15 days ago
Grass. Touch it.

Seriously, turn off the screen, go into the real world and try to mingle with humans you like.

ontouchstart · 15 days ago
I am watching ACM A.M. Turing Award Laureate Interviews to set the perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn0nrSd4xjjaSLBSzmno-...

ontouchstart · 15 days ago
For example:

Allen Newell, 1975 ACM A. M. Turing Award Recipient: “Desires and Diversions”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCe0ZPGap_k

Wisdom from the previous AI era.

tricorn · 14 days ago
Serious answer to the base question: learn as much as you can about how it all works, learn how to use it in its current state, keep up as it changes, be prepared for sudden leaps in the technology. Do not underestimate it.

Yes, there is a lot of hype, wailing, gnashing of teeth, but if it is good enough to be a worry, it is also good enough to empower the individual to survive it.

Ultimately, if it is all hype, it will soon crumble; if it is not then productivity will increase by leaps and bounds. The only key issue is to make sure that all the gains aren't taken by a small group of people (whether the current rich and powerful, or those that displace them using new paradigms).

I suggest getting comfortable with the idea of a UBI.

mathgladiator · 15 days ago
At core, I'm no longer a "former senior principal engineer", I'm now an "AI wizard" that tells a machine to build and it builds. I get software exactly to my spec without having to compromise, so that's nice. Sure, I have no idea if the code is good, but it is no longer a reflection of my ego.

I'm going to start raising cattle since I effectively burnt out of having a career, and AI was the finishing move.

The thing is, if you enjoy making things, then this is a great time. I'm currently teaching the machine how to code the language I invented, and it is surprisingly working. Coding is... a bit of a meta skill.