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hardlianotion · a month ago
Iran is a beautiful country, and an important part of our shared history. It is incredible that a sophisticated society has been suppressed for so long.

To my Iranian friends, I hope the day comes soon when you can safely start building a better future in Iran.

yadaeno · a month ago
For reference ~8000 people died on D-Day. Most of the protestors killed are believed to be under 30.
mac-attack · a month ago
~2,500 for Tiananmen Square
swat535 · a month ago
I think that the biggest problem with Iran right now, is that there is no clear opposition party.

South Africa had Mandela, India had Gandhi and Chile had Aylwin. We only have "Reza Pahalavi" being pushed by United State and Israel. He is nowhere qualified to run the country and hasn't stepped a foot there for decades.

None of these movements are going to succeed, unless someone from within the country forms a strong party and unifies everyone.

Either way, I'm afraid that Iranians are going to be suffering for a long time.

qohen · a month ago
The toll was significantly higher -- this is from a 2017 BBC article [0]:

The Chinese army crackdown on the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests killed at least 10,000 people, according to newly released UK documents.

The figure was given in a secret diplomatic cable from then British ambassador to China, Sir Alan Donald.

The original source was a friend of a member of China's State Council, the envoy says.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-42465516

eddie_sputz · a month ago
I wonder whatever happened to the 60,000 Iranian protestors sentenced to death several years ago?

Oh right, it was memoryholed.

Jamesbeam · a month ago
Those people placed their lives in the hands of the U.S. President when he promised that help was on the way. Help never arrived, and they were slaughtered like cattle.

https://time.com/7347090/iran-protesters-trump-help/

For a commander‑in‑chief, as well as the military leadership, I find this behavior dishonorable.

I will always be a friend of the American people, but it gets harder each day to watch the irreparable damage unfold the president is unleashing on the whole planet. Midterms will show what Americans are made off, you still have a choice and a voice. Use it wisely.

rdiddly · a month ago
I can't even see what's the end game for this. Nobody is going "Oh okay, we thought your regime was illegitimate before, but now we love it!" It just hardens the resistance. Unless maybe they're thinking they can kill them all. In which case the country shrinks and dies of old age in coming years.
tim333 · a month ago
I suppose either things continue for the next decades like they have for the previous few, which I guess is the most likely, or the regime gets overthrown which I find hard to see happening without foreign military intervention.
duxup · a month ago
I wish there was a magical formula for regime change that didn't result in more horrors.

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diffs · a month ago
And the response to this brutal crackdown from our brave and virtuous progressive activists has been a collective shrug of indifference, with some exceptions where those pillars of moral rectitude have taken a bold stance... in support of the fascist theocracy that has massacred its own people.
AuthAuth · a month ago
During the Gaza conflict it was highly suspected most of the outrage was manufactured by organized propaganda networks and spread into the mainstream. During this conflict and the Sudan conflict we can see it confirmed, zero attention in the mainstream because its missing the influence of an organized propaganda network creating, disseminating, legitimizing and boosting a narrative. Isreal and the CIA are terrible at modern day youth propaganda they should boosting this like crazy.
bn-l · a month ago
Shalom!

You don’t think it was the genocide, starvation and mass murder of over 70,000 civilians in carpet bombings. Or the mass torture and rape?

Israel is absolutely drowning in blood and human misery. It gobbles it up. It relishes it. There’s really no need to manufacture outrage.

ungreased0675 · a month ago
I’m not sure why and I’ve never heard it articulated, but based on overwhelming evidence, progressives will not criticize Islam, Islamic regimes, or cultural practices.
leosanchez · a month ago
> but based on overwhelming evidence, progressives will not criticize Islam, Islamic regimes, or cultural practices.

Same observation from my third world country

dismalaf · a month ago
Iran literally funds Hamas and adjacent orgs.
owebmaster · a month ago
You took 25 days to post your first comment? And a very divisive one at that?
diffs · a month ago
I feel strongly about this issue. I don't feel it's divisive, it might be dismissive but my point in the comment is factual.

Edit: Take a look at The Intercept as an example. Protests began three weeks ago. The only posts TI has on Iran basically amount to "Israel bad" and "Son of Shah likes Israel and Israel is bad, therefore son of Shah is bad". That's it. This is a moral failure of the highest order and it underscores, for me at least, that most of these faux-progressives' activism is purely performative.

mindslight · a month ago
If you hadn't noticed we've got our own fascist theocracy attacking its own people in the western world. We're trying to avoid giving it any more energy with vaguely-defined popular policy goals. And staying out of another country's affairs, regardless of how evil those affairs are, is a valid moral pillar.

Now perhaps there is an interesting academic discussion about whether if we had done more to direct Demented Donnie towards Iran, that he wouldn't be attacking the rest of NATO trying to steal Greenland to create some dipshit's idea of a legacy. But that is hardly definitive with the kind of moral clarity that you're asserting.

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