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Posted by u/glidr_dev 8 hours ago
Ask HN: How do you handle release notes for multiple audiences?
For those of you who ship often, when you release updates, do you typically write one set of release notes, or do you end up rewriting them for different audiences?

For example: • technical version for developers • simplified version for end users • something more high-level for stakeholders etc…

In my current position I’ve seen a plethora of different ways teams, and even the company I currently work for, go about this.

What I’ve seen: 1. paste raw GitHub changelogs into customer emails (highly wouldn’t recommend if you’re currently doing this ) 2. manually rewrite the same update multiple times for each audience 3. skip release notes entirely because it’s too much work

So I guess my question is: How do you or your company currently go about handling more than one set of release notes, and do you feel like more than one set is needed?

Would love to hear what’s working (or not working) for you, and if you found any tools that help mitigate this issue.

bhaney · 7 hours ago
As per industry standards:

v1.4.18 - "Bug fixes and performance improvements"

v1.4.17 - "Bug fixes and performance improvements"

v1.4.16 - "Bug fixes and performance improvements"

Fogest · 7 hours ago
Yeah that pretty much describes every big companies release notes. I used to have manual updates in the Google Play store as I enjoyed seeing what was changing. But over time so many companies just started saying things like "Security fixes" and it became a waste of time even bothering to look at them.

And sometimes they do actually add a feature... but they'll mention it within the app itself despite the app updates not mentioning it. Or even more funny is how often I'll see a news article talking about the new feature, but then it never even gets mentioned in the release notes anywhere.

nofunsir · 7 hours ago
This should be illegal if auto-updates are enabled or eventual updates are forced. Not joking.

Nowhere else in society do we allow such self-serving laziness and unethical negligence (looking at you, purposely destroying backwards compatibility of APIs) at a professional level. Most other professions have steep legal consequences if they hide their actions or inactions.

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3rodents · 7 hours ago
Perhaps the perfect time to ask: why are release notes like this on the App Store? Are they a required field and this is the default? Does a popular tool use this value?
internet2000 · 7 hours ago
The real answer is this: https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSProgramming/comments/1efubql/im_...

Not only nobody reads them, but Apple forces you to translate them into languages even less than nobody read. It'd be an improvement if they only required English text.

nofunsir · 7 hours ago
Don't underestimate the effort a software developer will put forth to create mountains of complicated automation and scripts if it allows them to be lazy. And they see no issue with this. So why would they see an issue being accountable for yet another agile cycle.

Rev number go up!

servercobra · 7 hours ago
They're required for every version release and no one reads them anyway.
hulitu · 7 hours ago
They forget always the "," between "bug" and "fixes".
eastbound · 5 hours ago
I’m French but… there isn’t a comma, is there? “Fixes” is the main noun, “bug” qualifies the noun. “Fixes of bugs” or “bugfixes” like “weekday” or “storm trooper”. Whether there is a space or not depends on lexicalization, ie whether it feels like one concept. Bugfix is a single concept but “snow patrol” is two; and modern compounds tend to be two separate words, so “bugfix” is only joined in technical environments, maybe not for the broader audience.
pletsch · 7 hours ago
I think a lot of it boils down to your goals with it, I'm personally very engaged with my user base and take pride in my communication and you may not value that over less work/more dev time. This is also for an internal tool but the audience is diverse (500+ devs, cybersecurity engineers, leadership, writers, etc), I stick with one set of release notes for a few reasons:

- One location, people who may fall into multiple categories (or none) don't need to check multiple places, users also know that all my communication will be via that page/they don't have to wonder if they're missing something

- As much as some detail doesn't matter to certain audiences, I find being able to give all the detail you want a user to know while maintaining readability to less technical audiences is a skill worth developing because the result is regardless of where your notes end up, the person will understand what's changed and why it matters

- Maintaining multiple versions leads to mistakes, at some point you'll leave out a detail to one audience that matters so letting the user mentally filter what they don't care about takes the onus to get it right 100% of the time off of you. I'll often categorize my changes by the section that had the change to help users with this.

- This is a personal preference and you touched on this one but it's just far less work, I've found it common in tech that people don't want to do things more than once or they'll automate it/look for shortcuts and this is no different. This isn't always a bad thing but getting release notes right means your users stay informed/use new features which is why we build them so I think it's worth putting my energy into doing it properly every time

sevensor · 6 hours ago
I’m in a similar place with an internal tool. I have a two part changelog. In the first part, each release gets 50 words or less justifying its existence. This is ready to be copy pasted for management consumption. The second part goes into detail about what’s in the release, for technical people who care about those details.
sshine · 8 hours ago
I automate one changelog per project using git-cliff and conventional commits:

https://github.com/orhun/git-cliff

https://www.conventionalcommits.org/en/v1.0.0/

This changelog is copied into the release on github, or wherever the release is announced.

RadiozRadioz · 7 hours ago
While more automation certainly is useful, I find that auto-generating changelogs in this manner has a number of problems:

Auto-genertaed changelogs lack business-aware context about what is important. You get a big list of new features, but which ones are the most important to stakeholders? You have a few breaking changes, which are likely to have the most widespread impact? Without being judicious about what information is included, you risk overwhelming readers with line noise and burying important notes.

Some things go beyond the scope of a commit message - deployment nuance, interaction with other relases, featureset compatibility matrices. These are best summarised at the top level, they don't fit in individual disparate messages.

One of OP's motivations for starting this thread was to see how people tailor changelogs to different types of stakeholders; techincal vs non-technical, for example. This approach doesn't solve that problem. In fact, I think it's worse due to an additional side effect: the commits are now forced to do double duty; they must be useful commits for developers looking at code history, but now they also must be useful messages to be included in a changelog. While there is some overlap, it's hard to do both simultaneously. One must pick between writing good commit messages for the codebase & developers, versus writing a coherent changelog.

As a matter of personal taste, I think it looks lazy. Changelogs are a unique opportunity to communicate something important, they're written once and read by many. With a list of commits, myself and all other readers must now put in the work to find out what's relevant - it's disrespectful of others' time.

sshine · 3 hours ago
> You get a big list of new features, but which ones are the most important to stakeholders?

I worked for one startup with one major customer who was really skeptic of investing further because of stability problems, feature delay problems, and lack of transparency. Along with a complete list of changes that gave them insight into how we prioritised between stability and feature development, I wrote a human summary of what this meant — experiments, summaries of statistics, summary of most important changes to business logic.

Writing personally to your stakeholders does not exclude being systematic, and vice versa.

> As a matter of personal taste, I think it looks lazy.

That’s funny, because I find the lack of automation to be the lazy choice. Forgetting to add to the changelog because the requirement is checked by humans, or because single commits fix things below some bar of noteworthiness that is entirely subjective and driven by lack of structure. Not writing commit messages worth putting in release notes (fix sht, asdasdasd, etc.)

>

Changelogs are a unique opportunity to communicate something important, they're written once and read by many. with a list of commits, myself and all other readers must now put in the work to find out what's relevant - it's disrespectful of others' time.*

When I migrate software, I’m very interested in the complete picture. I’ll ask my AI agent to go over the links in the changelog and summaries for me what are the breaking changes and what manual steps do I need to take. Having them in human-readable form ahead of time would be nice.

Since git-cliff has different sections, I can skip changes to documentation. Because of SemVer, I know if there’s something breaking.

Thoughtful · 7 hours ago
really helpful, thanks for sharing!
spockz · 6 hours ago
For us it is relatively straightforward. Every release gets one single post. It always gets a title highlighting the most important change highlighting why people want to upgrade. This is followed by a short summary of which usecase is now supported by a change we did (either added feature or some enhancement). This is again followed by a detailed story on the items above and finally a granular list of security, interface changes, etc., pointing at the relevant ticket number containing for each change the full reasoning and history.

Mostly this is a manual effort on the textual bit. A PR is required to indicate whether something is worthy to be specifically mentioned in the release notes. The list of concrete changes is automated.

saulpw · 5 hours ago
It's a funnel of sorts:

- The git commit log is the raw material. We try to have clean commits, but it's as messy as it is.

- This gets compiled into CHANGELOG.md at release time; we include all functionality and bugfixes, basically anything that any user or non-team dev might be interested or care about. But if some feature required multiple commits, we only include one line item for it. And if a feature gets reverted, we don't include both the feature and the reversion (that would be very confusing). This is for posterity.

- From the CHANGELOG we gather the "important subset" for the github release notes; this includes all features and major bugfixes, but only major API additions or changes. This has "see the CHANGELOG[link] for the full list of changes" at the bottom. This is for developers and users who follow us on github and are therefore more dev-savvy.

- From these release notes we produce the website release notes. This includes a complete list of new features, options, and commands, and important bugfixes (ones that a user might have experienced and would compel them to upgrade). But not any API changes unless it was a topline item for this release. This is for users and links back to the CHANGELOG.

- From the release webpage we pull highlights for social media, which link back to the release webpage.

We can always target different groups on social media with different subsets of functionality, but linking back up through the funnel leaves a trail of breadcrumbs for people who are more interested in the details.

Bsierakowski1 · 4 hours ago
At risk of getting thrown off the damn roof this is the problem I'm solving with my current product.

You've pretty much got the gist of it, the way we're going after the problem is producing internal notes rolled up from the code changes, and the main thing that changes as we move that communication from internal to external is frequency and delivery method.

We're still fairly early, but I think it's a mistake to think the contents of that communication should change. As soon as you get past the developers who wrote the code the primary thing people care about is customer benefit and how this work contextualizes into our goals, so we start there.

Internal comms comes out in internal channels (eg, Slack), and gets updated frequently (> 1x a week). As we bring that message out to customers we offer more self serve options (eg, hosted URL, embedded widget), and then only recommend pushing a notification once a month in the form of a recap.

(But you should still have a place that potential customers can see all the work your team is doing)

Would love to talk more on it, and thanks for brining this question up, very cool to see all the responses.

js4ever · 7 hours ago
No one read them so a single version is more than enough
AndrewDucker · 6 hours ago
We read through the release notes for our server software before installing it so that we can warn users about new functionality, disable functionality that's not approved, etc.
BobbyTables2 · 7 hours ago
This!
bluenose69 · 6 hours ago
I use a phone app called 'transit' to find out where the buses are at any moment. It's a great app for a lot of reasons, but the reason I was drawn to it at first was their witty release notes.

As the author of an R package, my release notes are much drier and businesslike. The package is quite static, so releases are mainly bug fixes. I start each item with either 'Add' or 'Change', then I name the function, and then I supply a short descriptive phrase and end with a link to the github issue where where users can see why the change was made, and what the code differences were.

I realize that this is not an answer to the question, really, because all users of the R package are basically on an even footing, in terms of knowing the R language and the science that the package is intended to support. If there is something transferrable to the OP's use-case, I guess it is to be systematic and terse, and to use a fairly fixed way of writing (being aware that not all users have English as the first language).