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mwcz · 10 days ago
The timing of this share is crazy, since I was just looking around a few days ago to see if there were any guides or even kits for doing photolithography at home. It's part of my mission to demystify modern technology for my kids. I couldn't find anything, so this is excellent to see. Far too complex for my kids ages, but it might be cool to replicate at least part of this amazing project when they're older.
bpye · 10 days ago
There is a great video on creating lithographic masks on Ben Krasnow's Applied Science channel - https://youtu.be/YAPt_DcWAvw?si=RXaS-GY7czqo_TJZ

The photographic steps are pretty accessible.

jcims · 9 days ago
Was just going to post this. Ben's channel is a treasure trove.
mwcz · 9 days ago
Wonderful, thank you!
alted · 9 days ago
The Hacker Fab [1] project at Carnegie Mellon is creating and publishing guides to building simple fab equipment including photolithography and a sputtering system. For somewhat more complex equipment, I appreciate [2] from the founders of InchFab [3].

But maybe the easiest way to do (very low resolution) photolithography at home is to use dry film photoresist, which is like tape you can stick onto a copper PCB you then expose and etch; a cheap roll is ~$20 from eBay/Amazon.

[1] https://docs.hackerfab.org/home [2] https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/93835 [3] https://www.inchfab.com/

junon · 9 days ago
They also have a discord server that seems pretty healthily active (I'm a long time lurker)
Joel_Mckay · 10 days ago
Cyanotype Paper is safe fun for kids to try Sun printing silhouettes.

Another project is growing large salt crystals in saturated solution.

The Unitech Electric Static Wand Toy off amazon was also popular last year (poorly built mini Van de Graaff generator.)

Glow in the dark wall paint and a 5 second strobe light is also a classic silhouette demo.

Could also look for linear polarizing sheets, thermochromic sheets, and "Magnetic Viewing film".

Some will like this stuff, others only want to stare at a screen. =3

adrianN · 10 days ago
It’s fairly easy to make cyanotype yourself: https://simplifier.neocities.org/cyanotype
mwcz · 9 days ago
Thank you, those are some awesome ideas. We've tried about half of them, but the rest are going straight on the list. Much appreciated.
duped · 10 days ago
Silk screen printing is probably the easiest way to introduce the concepts to kids. There are a lot of maker spaces/artist collectives and classes that have the basic tools and resources to do it.
snek_case · 10 days ago
You could also try to replicate something like the Monster 6502: https://monster6502.com/

It's not lithography, but you can build a working processor out of small surface mount chips, and you can solder these chips with lead-free solder. That seems very achievable for a motivated engineer, and probably involves much less toxic chemicals?

semi-extrinsic · 10 days ago
Or even gel plate printing, where you get to build multiple layers, one of them being a laser printed photo that is used as a resist.
N_Lens · 10 days ago
Replicating late 70s chip fab in one's parents' garage. Incredible honestly, given that the microprocessor is probably the most complex human invention.

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Simplita · 10 days ago
This is impressive work. Every time I see hobbyist-scale semiconductor projects, it reminds me how much innovation still happens outside big labs. Curious how far this approach can scale.
adrian_b · 10 days ago
The semiconductor device industry and Silicon Valley would have never appeared if the early companies working in this field would have been controlled by people obsessed about secrecy and "IP protection".

During the fifties and the sixties, and even until the early seventies, it was common for everyone to publish research papers very unlike those that are published today, where the concrete information is minimal.

In the early research papers about semiconductor devices and integrated circuits, it was normal to give complete recipes, including quantities of chemicals, temperatures and times for the processing steps and so on. After reading such papers, you could reproduce the recipes and make the device described and you could measure for yourself to see how true are the claims presented in the paper.

That open sharing of information has led to a very quick evolution of the semiconductor technologies during the early years, until more traditional business-oriented management has begun to restrict the information provided to the public.

It is said that such sharing of information still exists in China in many fields, and it is the source of their rapid progress.

goku12 · 10 days ago
> until more traditional business-oriented management has begun to restrict the information provided to the public.

Curious to know why you think this cutthroat approach is 'traditional'. Is there another historical background to it? Every account that I've seen, including the origin story of free software (at MIT) and even the rest of your own explanation, seem to suggest that such institutionalized confiscation and hoarding of knowledge is a recent phenomenon - since about the 70s. Am I missing something?

creata · 10 days ago
> It is said that such sharing of information still exists in China in many fields

Where can we read more about this?

webdevver · 10 days ago
cant wait to see what his latest venture will bring about

https://atomicsemi.com/

allegedly jim keller is one of the investors!

jimnotgym · 10 days ago
Does that name make childish Americans giggle in the same way as this childish Brit?
christophilus · 10 days ago
A semi in British slang is a partially erect penis. I guess “atomic semi” would sound like “partially erect micro-penis” to a Brit.
kkkqkqkqkqlqlql · 10 days ago
Not American, not a Brit here. Care to explain?
djmips · 10 days ago
no, we don't have that slang.
DAlperin · 10 days ago
One of the cofounders it seems https://atomicsemi.com/about/
zipy124 · 10 days ago
Had no idea he'd started a company, always found his blog posts so inspirational. Really hope he succeeds!
matheusmoreira · 9 days ago
This isn't just awesome, this is world changing. Fabricating our own hardware at home is the hardware equivalent of writing our own free software at home. This will help ensure our long term computing freedom.
embedding-shape · 9 days ago
Personally I agree, but the world doesn't seem to. Their first project (https://sam.zeloof.xyz/first-ic/) was all the way back in 2018, and it doesn't seem like it changed all too much (yet), while since I read the first blog post in 2018, I also thought we would have reached a much more mature DIY ecosystem by now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited too about it, and can't wait to personally do some experiments as well, although not at the same scale. But I'm not sure it's world changing, at least until I've actually seen any changes :)

shash · 9 days ago
Finicky chemicals and relatively expensive equipment. But he’s founded a company with Jim Keller. We occasionally see them post a photo with zero context, but we do know some things. Like they are targeting lots volume stuff and basically building fab equipment. But not much more.
BiraIgnacio · 9 days ago
It's really amazing, great work! And please keep sharing progress and, if you want, how can other people follow on your footsteps!
matheusmoreira · 9 days ago
It's not my work!
buildbot · 10 days ago
I was like, this seems like a small machine could automate a lot of it, now that the number of steps are down to around what ECN2 film dev requires…

Of course, that’s what they are doing it seems! https://atomicsemi.com/

unleaded · 10 days ago
remember when JLCPCB became popular a few years ago and completely flipped hobby electronics upside down? I don't know how possible it is but it would be really cool if that happens in a few years with semiconductors. it's kind of mad that they've dominated our lives since the 1970s but you can only make them if you're a large company with millions of dollars (or several years, a big garage and lots of equipment as seen here). or tiny tapeout.
mepian · 9 days ago
It's not technologically feasible unless plastic aka flexible ICs take off.
mitthrowaway2 · 9 days ago
Why?

It seems to me that if there were as much of a customer base for custom ICs as there is for PCBs, a fabricator like TSMC could easily offer a batch prototyping service on a 28 nm node, where you buy just a small slice of a wafer, provided you keep to some restrictive design and packaging rules.

wiseepidemic · 9 days ago
jecel · 8 days ago
They should say on this page that this project has ended. There are some spinoffs people interested in this can look into:

https://tinytapeout.com/

https://wafer.space/

https://chipfoundry.io/

matheusmoreira · 9 days ago
This is an absolutely vital development for our computing freedom. Billion dollar industrial fabs are single points of failure, they can be regulated, subverted, enshittified by market forces. We need the ability to make our own hardware at home, just like we can make our own freedom respecting software at home.
itsthecourier · 10 days ago
should have added this happened in 2021
jedbrooke · 10 days ago
oh man, I remember hearing about this back then and I got excited that there had been an update. From what I hear he’s gone off to college now but will hopefully be back to cooking up semiconductors once he graduates
eco · 10 days ago
He founded a company with Jim Keller called Atomic Semi since then.