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eek2121 · 2 months ago
Back when I was a teenager, I would have absolutely gone down a rabbit hole like the author did. From "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" to reading all the technical manuals, usenet, etc. I definitely nerded out over this stuff! Glad to see folks still take an interest.

These days, I've an acquired brain injury. Between that an old age, it was a bit hard to read, but also, just a little bit familiar, so I enjoyed it.

Now I am expecting "256 color VGA programming in C" to resurface at some point! :D

Old hardware was always so much fun...

mrandish · 2 months ago
256 colors? VGA?

Bah! You kids with your newfangled graphics modes. 320 x 200 CGA and 16 colors is more than enough. See the linked "8088 MPH" video for proof: https://trixter.oldskool.org/2015/04/07/8088-mph-we-break-al...

m463 · 2 months ago
> 320 x 200 CGA

with the opposite of smooth scrolling - video off during text scrolling. BLINK!

kind of like the crazy blinking ancestor of vsync off

reaperducer · 2 months ago
Bah! You kids with your newfangled graphics modes. 320 x 200 CGA and 16 colors is more than enough.

Bah! You kids with your newfangled 320x200x16 CGA cards.

We had 720x384x2 Hercules cards and we liked it!

vardump · 2 months ago
320 x 200 CGA allows you to have only 4 colors at a time. Of course you can change the fixed palette on a certain scanline to have more colors. See for example California Games.
drfuchs · 2 months ago
Any chance it was for the "IBM Personal Computer AT/370" that nobody remembers (perhaps because nobody used)?
viler · 2 months ago
That was one option I thought of at first (mentioned in the first section), but the info I found indicated that the /370 models used the same firmware as the "plain" 5170s - if there were any BIOS extensions, they were probably somewhere on the add-on cards. The AT/370 also had 512K of on board RAM, while this BIOS seems to indicate 640K.
kjs3 · a month ago
Plenty of people remember, and used, them. Just not people who tend to hang out here. I knew several IBM VM dev types who had them as light dev/remote mainframe access machines, usually at home. They were popular enough there was a followon product: the PC/390 which was the same idea, more advanced processor, based on a PS/2 microchannel platform (and, AFAIK, OS/2).

You want really obscure? Unisys had the same idea with the "Micro-A", which was a PC running OS/2 with a coprocessor card with a single chip implementation of an A-series mainframe. I know of 2, possibly 3, still around.

ForOldHack · 2 months ago
Details: The IBM AT/370 used standard bios on the motherboard, and the two 68k custom cards had their own bioses. The 68ks were very heavily modified by one of the motorola engineers.

Its the second version of the AT Bios that was disgusting was verion 2, that ran on 6mhz 286s and prevented you from swapping the crystal for a 16Mhz/8Mhz speed up. The first version had bugs, and the third version was for the 8Mhz machines. ( still a few bugs ).

This is the AT/370:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-based_IBM_mainframe-compati...

https://www.cpushack.com/2013/03/22/cpu-of-the-day-ibm-micro...

https://anycpu.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=350

There was one additional model of the IBM AT: THE IBM XT/286: An AT class mother board in an XT sized case.

https://www.dosdays.co.uk/computers/IBM%20PC-XT-286%20(5162)...

drfuchs · 2 months ago
Oops. Anyway, I remember attending a talk by one of the IBM engineers back when they first released the XT/370. He said that they looked at all possible ways to integrate their production line as a kind of secondary track off of one of the main production lines for the PC/XT, but the most economical option ended up being a separate facility that would receive normal pallets of regularly boxed, end-user XTs from the main factory, unbox them, make the mods, and pack them back into XT/370-labeled boxes for shipping.
TMWNN · 2 months ago
Article discusses and dismisses that possibility
m463 · 2 months ago
I remember that. I think it ran VM/SP or whatever it must have been called.

I recall the 370 part was on a card.

ForOldHack · 2 months ago
3 cards. CPU/Memory and communications cards.

Dead Comment

notherhack · 2 months ago
The blog refuses connections from VPNs. https://archive.is/Ef75R
viler · 2 months ago
Strange... if it does, that's not my doing - it seems to work fine with the VPN I use, but I'll look into it. Thanks for the heads up.
sema4hacker · 2 months ago
My OCD tendencies would have made me label the one chip ..ODD.. instead of .ODD... just for a little more symmetry.
mrlonglong · 2 months ago
Excellent write-up.
viler · 2 months ago
Appreciated, thanks!
breakingcups · 2 months ago
I love this sort of digital archeology