Their old Pro plan at $15/mo (paid annually) had 2,500/mo AI requests per month, use it or lose it.
The new Build plan at $20/mo has 1,500 AI requests, but they roll over. (Edit: apparently they don’t)
> No bones about it: this plan will be more expensive for some users and less expensive for others.
> We get that there’s a lot of whiplash in the AI devtools pricing market, and sympathize. While we expect some churn from this change, we are trying to do it in as minimally disruptive a way as possible.
I’ve found Warp to be very useful, but you’re really paying for AI compute, not the terminal. And the AI compute space is getting very competitive.
From what I understand, in the new plan the 1,500 AI requests don't roll over. Only the add-on credits you buy on top of that will roll over and expire after 12 months.
> On the Build plan, you pay for what you use and credits roll over month to month.
Here’s where I got it from, but I see how it’s ambiguous. “You pay for what you use” sounds a bit like the BYOK (bring your own key) “add-on credits” pricing model you’re referring to.
But in the pricing table, they refer to monthly “AI credits”.
> Pricing model for a terminal. What a time to be alive.
As soon as they raised like 50M+ (why you'd ever need 50 million dollars to build a terminal—which have been essentially "solved" since the 1970s—is a pretty good question), this was bound to happen. Same nonsense will happen to Zed, etc.
To be fair, for those of us who live in a terminal, the terminal is/was not solved.
Old terminals are slow and have a bunch of weird Unicode issues.
Now, Warp is a terrible product, and I have nothing nice to say about them.
But look at modern terminals like Kitty or Ghostty. There are so many very nice improvements. Like mouse support that works well (as opposed to "kind of works, but who needs a mouse?!, won't fix"), fast keyboard response (you'd think it wouldn't be noticeable, but it's very noticeable), copy-and-paste that makes sense and isn't different from everything else on the system, etc.
I’m on ghostty but warp is a lot more than a terminal. I used to consider their product to be a shitty AI powered terminal until I saw a demo of it. Now I consider it as a fair AI agent application that has a good CLI integration and some notebook features.
The growing popularity of ghostty has made me realize a lot of people don’t use scroll back history search. I use it frequently to save time and avoid having to rerun time intensive tasks to pipe them through grep or tee everything to a file.
I like Ghostty, but it's still missing a few features I need. Warp was interesting, but it was honestly overwhelming when I was simply reaching for a terminal. For now, I'm back on Terminal.app until Ghostty catches up feature wise.
If you pay for Claude Code, couldn't you then say you're paying for Visual Studio Code? Or if you use CC in the CLI, you're also paying for that terminal? Warp is just packaging AI with their terminal product.
The difference is the point of sale. With VS Code, you purchase your AI compute elsewhere (Anthropic, OpenAI, etc.), and then use it through the free VS Code interface.
With Warp, you purchase your AI compute through Warp (who then pays Anthropic, Open AI, etc. based on the model you choose).
It's not "a terminal", it's a terminal with AI features that cost money to run. I understand you may not be interested in them, but let's not pretend that burning GPU power comes for free.
I’m not a huge fan of Warp, but I would love for any other terminal to copy its text editor-style input field.
It’s so much nicer for 90% of my terminal usage (long multi-line commands, etc.) And when you do need TUI behavior that 10% of the time, just toggle it off.
The fish shell has multi line editing, completion explanations, and completion and history selection. Terminal integration could make these features even better. But Warp's account wall disqualified it for me.
Most shells can help with this. vim mode helps, zsh also has 'edit-command-line' that can open the command in an editor but idk if it has a keybind by default.
I loved that from Warp too. Went back to iTerm because Warp was regularly consuming more than 1GB of RAM. I also don't want anything related to AI reading my terminal commands.
Why not just type “fc” and edit your multiline command in a real editor? (Like you’ve been able to do since at least the 1980s).
I know I’m going to come across as a bitter old geezer, but with a lot of things like this the “features” seem to be pale imitations of things which already exist and the real root problem is people just don’t invest the time to learn the tools they already have.
I think everybody here that is bashing Warp specifically as a terminal application probably spends a lot more time in the terminal than GUI apps.
For someone who don't, killer features:
- GUI settings
- Regular text navigation
- Just enough free AI for ffmpegging
- Pretty nice theming, gruvbox + 70% opacity is chef's kiss
- Command blocks are a nice
- Restore sessions are nice
- Input area error underlines, syntax highlighting, command suggestions
For someone who was never a big terminal user and now tries to use it occaisonally but still spends 95%+ time in GUI apps, this makes configuring, getting in, getting work done, and getting out super easy. When working on web projects, I'll usually run my apps in vscode for easier error logging & fixing workflows, and use warp for accessory things like installing packages.
People really log in to their terminal emulator? And it's closed source and connected to the internet?
My terminal emulator handles all sorts of confidential data, credentials, API keys etc. I can't even imagine the damage that can be caused by a rogue terminal emulator.
Fair play to them for the way they communicated this. I like their style.
However, I've been a Pro user for several months (use < 1000 credits a month) - but I've noticed a real reduction in quality over the past month or so. I'm now getting random failures, stopping of agents etc.
The same with copilot for office. It was much better before but it seems like they're really turning the screws on the compute. Especially the research agent is pretty useless now and it was really powerful.
I guess these companies are running into issues not being able to expand capacity fast enough. Even a hyperscaler like Microsoft can't power a whole hype cycle. Or they're just squeezing to get more bottom line.
I tried warp last year and I wanted to like it but it just felt slower and more bloated. I don’t know if it’s improved since then, but I have a hard time seeing how the terminal is worth using. I’m ignoring price here and focused on value add. My main issue is that I don’t see more features as being more value, rather there are a lot of distractions and the learning curve to learn the various features doesn’t seem worth it. I also dislike vscode forks like cursor due to complexity, so maybe it’s meant more for certain kinds of users.
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The new Build plan at $20/mo has 1,500 AI requests, but they roll over. (Edit: apparently they don’t)
> No bones about it: this plan will be more expensive for some users and less expensive for others.
> We get that there’s a lot of whiplash in the AI devtools pricing market, and sympathize. While we expect some churn from this change, we are trying to do it in as minimally disruptive a way as possible.
I’ve found Warp to be very useful, but you’re really paying for AI compute, not the terminal. And the AI compute space is getting very competitive.
Here’s where I got it from, but I see how it’s ambiguous. “You pay for what you use” sounds a bit like the BYOK (bring your own key) “add-on credits” pricing model you’re referring to.
But in the pricing table, they refer to monthly “AI credits”.
> Can I continue to use Warp as my primary terminal?
> Yes, the Terminal features of Warp will continue to be free to use for developers across Windows, Mac, and Linux.
Well this is something at least I guess.
As soon as they raised like 50M+ (why you'd ever need 50 million dollars to build a terminal—which have been essentially "solved" since the 1970s—is a pretty good question), this was bound to happen. Same nonsense will happen to Zed, etc.
Old terminals are slow and have a bunch of weird Unicode issues.
Now, Warp is a terrible product, and I have nothing nice to say about them.
But look at modern terminals like Kitty or Ghostty. There are so many very nice improvements. Like mouse support that works well (as opposed to "kind of works, but who needs a mouse?!, won't fix"), fast keyboard response (you'd think it wouldn't be noticeable, but it's very noticeable), copy-and-paste that makes sense and isn't different from everything else on the system, etc.
https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/
https://ghostty.org/
The growing popularity of ghostty has made me realize a lot of people don’t use scroll back history search. I use it frequently to save time and avoid having to rerun time intensive tasks to pipe them through grep or tee everything to a file.
You’re really paying for AI compute, not the terminal.
s/a/an awful/
Some days I feel like everything peaked around mid-2000.
Whan awfult a time to be alive
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Until they change their TOS and use all your terminal input to train their models.
I'm being sarcastic but how things are going something like this wouldn't surprise me at all.
With Warp, you purchase your AI compute through Warp (who then pays Anthropic, Open AI, etc. based on the model you choose).
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It’s so much nicer for 90% of my terminal usage (long multi-line commands, etc.) And when you do need TUI behavior that 10% of the time, just toggle it off.
[1]: https://iterm2.com/documentation-ai-chat.html
I know I’m going to come across as a bitter old geezer, but with a lot of things like this the “features” seem to be pale imitations of things which already exist and the real root problem is people just don’t invest the time to learn the tools they already have.
For someone who don't, killer features:
- GUI settings - Regular text navigation - Just enough free AI for ffmpegging - Pretty nice theming, gruvbox + 70% opacity is chef's kiss - Command blocks are a nice - Restore sessions are nice - Input area error underlines, syntax highlighting, command suggestions
For someone who was never a big terminal user and now tries to use it occaisonally but still spends 95%+ time in GUI apps, this makes configuring, getting in, getting work done, and getting out super easy. When working on web projects, I'll usually run my apps in vscode for easier error logging & fixing workflows, and use warp for accessory things like installing packages.
My terminal emulator handles all sorts of confidential data, credentials, API keys etc. I can't even imagine the damage that can be caused by a rogue terminal emulator.
However, I've been a Pro user for several months (use < 1000 credits a month) - but I've noticed a real reduction in quality over the past month or so. I'm now getting random failures, stopping of agents etc.
I guess these companies are running into issues not being able to expand capacity fast enough. Even a hyperscaler like Microsoft can't power a whole hype cycle. Or they're just squeezing to get more bottom line.