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charliebwrites · 5 months ago
They’re definitely the current insect plague of my tomato plants

Funny to think that some (proto?) human was swearing at these things 295 million years ago the same way I am

robin_reala · 5 months ago
The earliest hominids came around ~10 million years ago, so unlikely.
CGMthrowaway · 5 months ago
Nor did tomatoes, nor any type of fruit nor flowering plant at all, exist 295M years ago
belly_joe · 5 months ago
just let the "proto" do the work and enjoy the joke
treve · 5 months ago
Not a scientist or science reporter, but it strikes me that the headline (and content) of the article should include 'that we know of'. Is that silly of me, or is it expected from the reader to know that this is always implied?
IAmBroom · 5 months ago
History is defined as events which are recorded.

"Leaf miners identified as oldest insect plague in the history of Earth"

antonvs · 5 months ago
Yes, it's poorly phrased. It could easily say "oldest known insect plague". But the whole article is not written well at all - seems like English may not be the authors' first language.
Anarch157a · 5 months ago
That's the catch phrase of zoology youtuber Lindsay Nikole. https://youtube.com/@LindsayNikole
fred_is_fred · 5 months ago
If science took that approach, wouldn't you need to put this in every scientific related statement ever made?
antonvs · 5 months ago
No, there are different scenarios. In this case we're looking at incomplete evidence of history, and we know with certainty that there are many phenomena for which evidence didn't survive. The usual way this is dealt with is to talk about "the oldest known X."

With many things in science, there isn't anything like that degree of incomplete information. We can talk about, say, a chemical reaction with extremely high certainty.

Also, in many cases a theory provides implicit context which makes the resulting statements true in the context of that theory. We can say that in general relativity, a black hole has a singularity at its center. There's no doubt about that, but it doesn't tell us whether actual physical black holes contain singularities.

hyperhello · 5 months ago
Every fact would have to end with “unless I am wrong”.