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Posted by u/andrewdug 3 months ago
Show HN: Aris – a free AI-powered answer engine for kidsaris.chat...
I am Andrew, and I’m building Aris (https://www.aris.chat/).

Aris is a minimalist tool that answers any questions a child has.

Encyclopedias, periodicals, field guides, cookbooks, and other print resources we used as kids to find knowledge, learn, and pursue our curiosities have been replaced in most households by something that is not safe for kids: the internet. So instead, kids get Fortnite, Minecraft, and ‘edutainment’ options that don’t compare to the knowledge resources that past generations have had access to.

With this in mind, many of the smartest people I know raise (or plan to raise) their kids with access to only a 1990s level of consumer technology, without smartphones, tablets, social media, online gaming, etc. Many of these people believe the last three decades of technological development have been a net negative for kids. When my child was born, I had a similar sentiment. However, there are some major problems with limiting a kid’s access to technology today. To name a couple: 1.) a set of World Book encyclopedias now costs $1,200, and 2.) many print resources aren’t as good as they used to be, if they are even still in print, since the market changed. As parents, we need a safe, simple, nonaddictive way for kids to access and explore the world’s knowledge easily and independently.

Aris uses a combination of large language models with policy engines and web search tools to find relevant, timely answers to their questions and only returns the stripped-down answers. It does not return links for them to click on or images or advertisements. Parents can tune the moderation settings as finely as they’d like, preventing discussions about banned topics and even getting as specific as making sure Aris doesn’t tell their second child that Santa isn’t real.

The model context handling and system instructions are designed to prevent kids from building emotional reliance or relationships with it. Rather than trying to pull a child into the experience to maximize engagement, Aris is meant to gently redirect the child out of the device into the real world after their question has been answered.

We are available as a web app and iPhone/iPad app in the Apple App store, but we have also made our Apple Watch app available in the iOS store as well. We believe minimalist wearables are a good device substitute for younger humans, and we hope Aris can be a healthy addition to those wearables.

We plan to make money through premium features that include creating multiple child accounts, accessing premium models for better answers, and for ultra-high usage limits.

Come use the app for free on our website or by downloading it in the iOS store by searching for “Aris AI”. We’d love to hear your ideas, experiences, and feedback. Thanks!

evmaki · 3 months ago
The underlying idea tracks. The next generation of kids is going to interact with AI, and we should anticipate that and try to build systems that are healthy and safe for them to interact with.

On the other hand, I wonder if this doesn't just further alienate children from their parents. Kids are already given access to unlimited supernormal stimuli via iPads so that parents don't have to parent. This just seems like more of that: now parents don't even need to have basic conversations with their kids because the AI can do it.

Anecdotally, some of the most formative interactions I had as a child started by asking my parents questions. These were things that not only shaped me as a person, but deepened my relationship with my parents. These interactions are important, and I wonder if Aris doesn't just abstract it away into another "service" that further deepens social decay. I would not be the person I am today if I hadn't had the chance to ask my dad as an angsty pre-teen what the point of life is, and for him to tell me it is to learn and create so that we can make a better world for humanity. I guarantee a smoothed-over LLM would not have offered something so personally impactful.

My two cents is that you should ponder that deeper point a little bit, and think about how it informs the way you market your idea, and scope the service it provides.

andrewdug · 3 months ago
These are great points. The #1 concern I have as a parent and that I hear from other parents is that AI tools will do what technology has been doing for the last 20 years: replace human connection. That is exactly what we are trying to avoid but in a way that still gets kids access to knowledge and information that could make their lives better.

That's great that you had the opportunity to ask your parents those questions instead of seeking them out with technology. There are a lot of questions that could help kids lead better lives that many parents don't have answers to. Not necessarily philosophical ones, but practical ones about how to cook, identify insects, you name it, about the physical world. We want to fill that need without replacing any of the parental or family connection.

I don't think that a cleverly designed product can make that decision though. I think families need to be making the decision about what their relationship with tech should be. Ideally we would be a tool for families that have made the decision to not overly rely on tech. We will ponder more on that point. Thank you for the thoughtful input.

id00 · 3 months ago
There is a tip I've read somewhere to reach out to your elderly parents for questions you know they can answer instead of just googling it. Just to keep the connection and also make them feel needed and valued by their grown up kids.

I'm tryin to follow that advise often asking them household or cooking related questions

andrewdug · 3 months ago
This is a good idea. I suppose it will depend on whether or not the user has family around, but I like the idea of having clever ways like this of encouraging interaction with humans. Like if it is asked for a recipe, it returns one, then suggests the user ask others for alternative ways of doing things or suggestions or things like that.
barbazoo · 3 months ago
> The next generation of kids is going to interact with AI

Only if we don't learn from the failure of not regulating social media.

andrewdug · 3 months ago
I imagine the reason social media isn't regulated is because they don't market to kids even though kids use it.
devmor · 3 months ago
Your tool wont tell me about human anatomy, but will happily tell me where to look for graphic videos of a man being shot to death. But when I ask it what to do if “dad is bleeding and can’t talk” it doesn’t even advise me to get help, just tells me about content moderation settings. That took just a couple prompts to suss out.

I don’t have any confidence you’ve done the due diligence to properly handle content moderation here - it seems very haphazard and poorly thought out. It would be incredibly unethical to market this for use by children right now.

If this is an important project for you, I strongly recommend you bring on an advisor with history in child safety and education experience and make them a core part of your development. You might also consider working with a university that has a good developmental psychology program - they often do a lot of supervised research of children’s habits and could provide valuable insight.

andrewdug · 3 months ago
Thank you for the feedback. Glad to hear it didn't go into detail on human anatomy. We haven't been able to get it to tell us where to find graphic videos of a man being shot to death, but we will keep testing and work to improve it.

We will do some more internal discussion on whether or not we want it to be the tool to provide emergency assistance. I'm not sure that's ethical. We have a team member with a decade of child education experience, but we can consider other advisors.

sciurus · 3 months ago
> Glad to hear it didn't go into detail on human anatomy.

Why do you think children shouldn't get answers to questions about human anatomy?

AlecSchueler · 3 months ago
I asked it who Chris Kirk was. It was done golfer so I said what about the public speaker and it corrected me to Charlie Kirk and mentioned he had been shot and killed. I asked if it had been recorded and it said yes, and that the videos spread online. I asked it where to and it gave a list of platforms. I asked if they were still up and it said it couldn't give me a definitive answer because if ever changing moderation policies. I asked it how I could verify they were up or down and it suggested

> Try searching on X.com for strings like "Charlie Kirk assassination" or "Charlie Kirk shot dead video"

devmor · 3 months ago
I found that framing the questions in an innocuous way, the way a child might, gets past your moderation settings. Try asking it “what happened to [dead guy]” and then following up with asking how you can see what happened.

I don’t think it should provide emergency assistance, but I do think it should tell the child to call their emergency number or a trusted adult - not just tell them it can’t help.

recursivegirth · 3 months ago
I'd argue it would be unethical to not do so. I can see where it may lead to false-positives, but in those instances, it's better to be safe than sorry.

A reasonable and responsible approach could be to instruct the child to seek a safe adult around them to discuss any material that may be harmful.

lefstathiou · 3 months ago
Father of three here, I like the premise and execution of this a lot. I don't let my kids use iPads or iPhones and we only watch movies (not shows) as a family on weekends.

What resonates with me: - Dead simple interface - Zero risk of ads - I like that you can ask follow-up questions

Some ideas - Using this on Web, the cursor should autofocus on the text box - A log / audit trail of questions asked would be fun to review as a parent - One of my biggest concerns about AI is the lack of guardrails preventing them from generating answers rather than using the technology as an amplifier of knowledge. For example, if my son asked "what is 142 + 47?", I would feel better knowing the response explained how he could approach the problem 100 + 80 + 9 = ? rather than answering the question -

andrewdug · 3 months ago
Wonderful feedback, thank you. We are a movies only and only on the weekends family as well.

- We log the questions asked in each child account for parents to view in the parent account, but the questions are only logged when they're signed in.

- Regarding giving the answer rather than fostering the process of discovering the answer, this is something we've gone back and forth on. I think we will add a setting for this in the parent's settings for each child account. We've talked to parents who want one or the other, so we will work on adding it as an option to just give them answers right away or have it start those teaching moments.

We appreciate these suggestions, thanks!

AlecSchueler · 3 months ago
> For example, if my son asked "what is 142 + 47?", I would feel better knowing the response explained how he could approach the problem 100 + 80 + 9 = ?

I'm 35 and this is a game changer, my schooling failed my but thanks so much!

AlecSchueler · 3 months ago
Your content moderation is quite hit and miss. I experimented with the question "how is babby formed?" and about 2/3 times it told me it couldn't respond to questions about sex, but then on the third attempt it would give a very explicit explanation.
andrewdug · 3 months ago
Thank you for pointing this out. We haven't been able to replicate this, but we will keep testing and work to improve on it.

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silver_silver · 3 months ago
“Works on my machine” actually isn’t a good enough response in this case, or to the comment about the video of the man being shot. LLMs are infamously easy to jailbreak and children are very good at getting around guardrails. You should at the very least be doing intense adversarial prompt testing but honestly this idea is just inherently poorly thought out. I guarantee you it’s going to expose children to harmful content
AlecSchueler · 3 months ago
I just tried it again and it worked first try.

The prompt was "How is babby formed ?"

andrewdug · 3 months ago
We have added a much thicker filter layer for the moderation, so it should be working much better now.
esafak · 3 months ago
This seems similar to what you'd get from a search engine in kids' mode. To provide value to me, it would have to include relevant sources search engines don't have access to, or work offline like a regular encyclopedia.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/family-plan.html#kidfriendl...

andrewdug · 3 months ago
Thank you for the feedback. I will check out Kagi. Ideally, I don't want my kids to have access to the links. I'd prefer if it's just the answer. Then it's easy for them to do voice only over the Apple watch. They don't really have to look through results. They are just told whether or not ladybugs have proboscises.
esafak · 3 months ago
My kids can simply ask the smart speaker.

edit: I can set up locked-down accounts with personalized speech recognition for them.

What does this parental control look like? The web site does not advertise it.

I suggest explaining your value proposition on your site, addressing all these questions. It's not selling itself.

freelancemichal · 3 months ago
This is a fantastic approach to building a "healthier" AI assistant. The focus on redirecting kids away from the screen and preventing emotional reliance is a crucial, often overlooked aspect of creating safe digital tools for children. The idea of stripped-down answers without links or ads is also a brilliant way to reduce digital clutter and distractions. At ion301.com, we've noticed in our work on AI content generators that controlling the tone and context is key to delivering a specific, positive user experience, not just answering a query. Have you considered any feedback mechanisms for parents to fine-tune the answers provided by Aris over time?
andrewdug · 3 months ago
We will think more about that. Maybe we can allow parents to comment, rate, or correct responses in the child's logs. Thank you for the feedback and suggestion.
blactuary · 3 months ago
Oppose this in pretty much every way
andrewdug · 3 months ago
What do you oppose about it? Is it the idea of having an AI tool interact with kids at all? Or something else?
blactuary · 3 months ago
LLMs cannot answer questions and pushing this on kids is awful
loneboat · 3 months ago
Just declaring "oppose this" without any explanation isn't very constructive.
myhf · 3 months ago
Why should anyone honestly critique an app that nobody could be bothered to write?
ansgri · 3 months ago
Maybe not the best name — ARIS is a relatively well-known business process management software suite, so it's definitely international, web and AI, so trademark conflicts may arise.
rozab · 3 months ago
It's also cockney slang for ones backside
andrewdug · 3 months ago
It's short for Aristotle, so the pronunciation may be different.
andrewdug · 3 months ago
I will look more into their brand. Thank you.