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jdlshore · 7 months ago
For people missing the irony here, the term “metaverse,” that Meta is named after, was coined by Neal Stephenson in his 1992 book “Snow Crash.”

In the book, the metaverse is a VR version of the internet with an emphasis on accurate sword fights and realistic facial expressions.

glimshe · 7 months ago
If Mark Zuckerberg didn't exist, we'd still have Facebook. Someone else would have done it.

But if Neal Stephenson didn't exist, we'd not necessarily have what he created. That's how unique his ideas are.

And Meta, billions of dollars later, is still no Metaverse...

tialaramex · 7 months ago
Eh, I like some of Neal's books a lot, particularly Diamond Age is likely in any top ten I'd come up with. But this claim is basically only true in the trivial sense that wouldn't have any arbitrary creative work if its author hadn't created it.

So in that sense it's the exact same as Facebook. Without Neal somebody else would invented "post Cyberpunk" and without Mark somebody else would have invented whatever Facebook is - social media for your grandparents maybe?

Neal is "unique" but we're all unique, it's the least unique thing about us. He struggles to write satisfying endings, he leans too heavily on the rape-as-character-development trope, his novels have become flabby as his fame grew and presumably he was able to resist editorial demands more, he doesn't know as much about technology as he thinks he does... Like I said, "Diamond Age" would probably make my top ten, but that's not because it's flawless by any means.

bko · 7 months ago
> If Mark Zuckerberg didn't exist, we'd still have Facebook.

Yes, because multi-trillion dollar companies are completely natural and spawn almost at random to whatever nerd happens to be working on a particular problem at any given time

Animats · 7 months ago
I was really hoping for a Snow Crash movie. That project has been in development hell for years. Instead, we got Ready Player One, which is like Snow Crash for dummies. There's a trailer for a low-budget version of Snow Crash.[1] It's awful.

I don't hold out much hope for that project. Snow Crash is about a conspiracy between a media baron and a televangelist to take over the world. That would upset a lot more people now than in 1992.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8WYiYcaRY4

croon · 7 months ago
I love Snow Crash too, for what it is, and I'm sure someone could make a worthwhile movie out of exploring the concepts, but then I'm not really sure it's worthwhile, as it wouldn't need to be strictly based on that work.

But if someone is hoping for a scene accurate depiction I'm equally unsure it's possible, or that anyone would want to see it, between everything from the "radical"(/Rule of Cool) Carmageddon pizza delivery for the mafia and variable rollerskate wheel sizes to the main character literally being named Hiro Protagonist.

It's a great nostalgic time capsule for me, which also spawned a lot of other great works, but I'm fine with leaving it as that.

daotoad · 7 months ago
That trailer is brilliant for what it is.

I would love to see a proper version of Snow Crash get theatrical release or maybe even the high-concept-tv-series-with-ten-episodes treatment the big streamers are cooking up these days.

chipsrafferty · 7 months ago
Ready Player One was terrible. The secret that was hidden for years was discovered by someone just trying to drive backwards on a racing map that tons of people play every day? I get that it's hard to drive the map backwards, but come the fuck on, gamers would discover that in the first week.
brightball · 7 months ago
I'm still waiting for a Spawn reboot and universe now that Dune finally got a big budget version. Apparently Voltron too.

Don't give up hope.

neilv · 7 months ago
CEO: "Bring me the head of whomever is responsible for this metaverse fiasco!" :)

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VoidWhisperer · 7 months ago
"Uh.. that would be you, Mr. Zuckerberg"
perihelions · 7 months ago
What an ironic error to happen to a creator of cyberpunk dystopia. And also to Mr. Stephenson.
epgui · 7 months ago
I believe I have accumulated two moderation strikes on my Facebook account for (relatively politely) calling out posts for being racist/xenophobic.

Both cases my comments were flagged as promoting hate, ironically. The appeal mechanism is a joke: you press a button, and two seconds later you get a notification saying your appeal was reviewed and denied.

maxwell-neumann · 7 months ago
I’ve experienced something similar in attempting to report very explicit and outrageously racist posts and comments. Zero action on blatant neo-Nazism (including specific threats of violence), and several lost appeals. However, far more benign posts and comments that don’t really violate the ToS are often flagged. This is quite prevalent on Instagram especially, which is quite worrying as it’s acting as a radicalisation tunnel for large numbers of impressionable young people. It’s almost as if the algorithm attempts to throw you into a far-right rabbithole because they know it boosts engagement.
zamber · 7 months ago
That's exactly what happens. The algo does not judge how hurtful a rabbithole may be - it optimizes for engagement with some moderation sprinkled on top. I've tried to make my facebook feed palatable for a couple months and eventually passed up on trying. I'd rather IM my family about cat photos than engage with their fringe political views. Same goes for colleagues on LinkedIn.

Tentacrul did a good video on it and more across the years https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyJBJTHyO0&pp=ygUWZmFjZWJvb2s...

AceJohnny2 · 7 months ago
Was this within the last couple years? How much you wanna bet the appeal is handled by an AI.
dragonwriter · 7 months ago
Its probably just a variant on a placebo button.
euroderf · 7 months ago
FWIW, I've been cut off twice, appealed twice, been reprieved twice.

Some heckler I guess.

torginus · 7 months ago
Had this happen to me on Reddit.

After I reported a post, nothing happened, then I messaged the mods, and they agreed with me that the post should be taken down and they did.

A day after it was taken down, I got a warning message from Reddit that my report has been rejected, and I should stop falsely reporting content, or else.

pesus · 7 months ago
I got a week long ban for calling someone out for being a Nazi. The person openly praising Hitler did not get banned at all. At the time I thought it was mere incompetence, but in hindsight, it seems more like intentional malice.
bachmeier · 7 months ago
Are you implying that being banned from Facebook is a bad thing?
vkou · 7 months ago
It's not intentional malice, it's just 2025 - an age where calling someone a fascist or a racist is worse than being one.

If that doesn't make a lick of sense to you - it's simple. The latter is an offense against a nebulous, undefined outgroup of people, while the former offends a particular person.

It's the same reason why someone can steal a dollar from a million people, but why you'd go to jail for punching the thief in the face.

rl3 · 7 months ago
>The person openly praising Hitler did not get banned at all.

Content moderation at Meta is a joke now. I reported an account multiple times for hate speech. The account's photos were comprised entirely of racist caricatures of black people. Like absolutely vile, hateful shit.

Each time, I received a notification along the lines of: [paraphrasing] "We found that the account in question did not violate our community standards. Therefore, we did not take any action. Thanks for the report."

Yeah, OK. Gross.

AceJohnny2 · 7 months ago
"Shoot the messenger!"

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SLHamlet · 7 months ago
This is not an anomaly, by the way. I've interviewed many multiple Meta staffers (including senior leaders), and can find little evidence that leadership actually read "Snow Crash" and/or even cared about virtual worlds. Even after spending tens of billions claiming they were building the Metaverse.

Some background: https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2025/05/horizon-worlds-meta-horizo...

bsenftner · 7 months ago
They are still quoting Fountainhead and thinking they are intellectuals.
SlowTao · 7 months ago
A few years back Chris Hedges did a showshow/podcast or something and he was forced to finally read in depth a lot more Rand.

I love his defeated responded of "It is amazing just how pedestrian those books are. There is nothing interesting in them.".

Hedges is always worth listening to even if you won't always agree but he does make doomers look like utopian optimists.

KaiserPro · 7 months ago
I dunno who you were talking to, but the RL research areas I worked in had some definite Neil Stevenson fans.

but then we weren't the pricks who thought you could make up for a shit lighting setup with polygon count cough any screenshot from horizon worlds cough

wmf · 7 months ago
Meta's recent strategy is more reminiscent of Rainbows End.
lenerdenator · 7 months ago
There's precious little value for those types to read stuff like "Snow Crash".

It's like the people saying "It's obvious these STEM people didn't take humanities courses". Well, yeah. The dream for the incoming freshman at Stanford's CS program isn't to graduate with a degree. The dream is to have some VC come onto campus, see some BS project the freshman cooked up, tell the freshman "You're literally Jesus Christ, and I want to fund your startup" and drop out with access to millions in funding and a network of people who can give more funding when the original round dries up.

Humanities courses and reading humanistic conceptions of how tech could go wrong doesn't get you millions of dollars. Reckless abandon does.

bitwize · 7 months ago
Back when I was growing up, tech people read things like Snow Crash all the time. I guess I need to update my priors.
nirav72 · 7 months ago
Who has time to read when it's about 'Move fast and break things..." /s

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diego · 7 months ago
Meta has extremely opaque account policies. For example, I bought the Meta Raybans a month ago. It kept telling me the AI features were not available in my region, even though I am in San Francisco. I joined Facebook in 2006, and I have used my account for the Oculus headset without a problem. But no matter what I did, the AI function of the Raybans wouldn't work.

I ended up creating a brand new account just for that, and it worked fine. No idea why it would work with a brand new account and not with my old account in good standing, never suspended or warned about anything.

michalpleban · 7 months ago
I have recently had a need to create an Instagram account. I logged in from my home IP and it was recognized as coming from Vietnam (my home IP has been the same since 2016, always with the same ISP). Everything was in Vietnamese and I had to spend half an hour figuring out how to switch it back to English. But in the home feed I still got only Vietnamese influencers, and there was nothing in the settings to change that. I got assigned to Vietnam for life.

Well, I did nothing with the account except setting up the profile and following some people. Then I logged in to the account on my phone, which of course is not from Vietnam. Bam, account suspended for violating the TOS. I appealed, after one day got a message that the ban was upheld because I did violate the TOS.

I guess no Instagram for me. That's probably for the better.

anal_reactor · 7 months ago
There's a mid-sized international bus company over here and once I bought a ticket for the wrong day, realized only after payment. I simply called the phone number, the lady spoke my language, reissued the ticket for a different day, that's it.

I was shocked that customer support can work like that.

hnuser123456 · 7 months ago
Is it possible your FB account has been compromised for a while? Is your ISP's RIR whois information correct?
uz3snolc3t6fnrq · 7 months ago
my best guess is, you could've connected from a different ip once 10 years ago and it improperly geolocated that ip as being in a tiny country and now it thinks you're secretly from that country even though you've been accessing the site from a US ip forever. it's the only plausible reason i can really think of. unless they set up a "country estimation" ai or a similar newfangled system and it's convinced for some reason you're actually not american. it's too out there but you never know
lazide · 7 months ago
Some GEOIP databases are rotting, near as I can tell.

I’ve got a proxy on random machine in a OVH DC in Oregon. Always properly geo-located to Oregon - until a few months ago.

Now YouTube insists I’m in France. Which is quite entertaining, ads wise.

VincentEvans · 7 months ago
Last time meta blocked my account was because I gave away free framing lumber after demolishing my poorly framed basement. Somehow it got flagged and that was that. Thankfully I don’t give a damn, and now never will.

Ps: some couple happily picked up 100 or so 2x4 studs of various lengths to build a greenhouse for their garden with.

viraptor · 7 months ago
I got blocked for sending a post asking if anyone wants to grab a lunch when I'm back in (location).
b112 · 7 months ago
Tangential, but a decade ago I lost my original Amazon account, because I bought bandages. Yes bandages.

I'd had it for 5 years, no excess returns, no issues. I click add and go to checkout... banned.

Some reasons about religious icons flashed on my screen. It was red cross bandages ffs!

And why ban me, and not the seller?!?

Calls, emails resulted in confused but unhelpful people.

adastra22 · 7 months ago
They must have assumed it was a scam, like those Nigerian prices offering free gold.
saltysalt · 7 months ago
If they suspend everyones accounts, the Internet will be a better place.

“Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.” - Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

copacopab · 7 months ago
I have been locked out of my account for 5+ months -- and customer support has been a Kafkaesque nightmare. I am still locked out. (Oh, and I've spent $1M+ in paid META ads...)
ralphington · 7 months ago
You seem to have funded your own demise
copacopab · 7 months ago
Haha... it's crazy. And I have friends at META who've been trying to help, and they themselves get in a customer support hell as well. It's wild. $1.9T company.
rpdillon · 7 months ago
Yeah, I've been locked out of Meta for a couple of years, just stopped VR altogether because getting the account back turned into a new hobby that I never asked for. Just moved on.