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barbegal · 5 months ago
Not comparable to a real battery any time soon based on the paper https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2025/cc/d4cc0...

> The perovskite betavoltaic cell achieved impressive parameters, including a short-circuit current density of 15.01 nA cm−2, an open-circuit voltage of 2.75 mV, and an energy conversion efficiency of 1.83%, all of which represent significant improvements over previous works.

mr_mitm · 5 months ago
Will it ever be comparable to a "real" battery? The energy output has a clear upper limit. Are there materials that produce only beta particles at a high enough rate per gram that could power a cell phone with a half life of more than a few days?
barbegal · 5 months ago
Assuming you could get these to 10% efficiency (which is theoretically possible) and a phone needs 0.2W of energy to function then you would need a source capable of supplying 2W of energy (of which 1.8W would be dissipated as heat). The phone would be fairly hot all the time but 2W could be dissipated without it overheating in most environments. Strontium 90 generates 0.95 W/g so in theory a few grams of strontium 90 would be enough to power your phone for many decades (the half life is 28 years). But if someone were to accidentally put such a phone into an insulating material it might overheat and become a dangerous radioactive mess!
Filligree · 5 months ago
If you found such a material, would you want it in your pocket? Or someone else's pocket, where it could break in an accident?
grishka · 5 months ago
Dear battery technology claimant,

Thank you for your submission of proposed new revolutionary battery technology. Your new technology claims to be superior to existing lithium-ion technology and is just around the corner from taking over the world. Unfortunately your technology will likely fail, because:

[ ] it is impractical to manufacture at scale.

[ ] it will be too expensive for users.

[ ] it suffers from too few recharge cycles.

[ ] it is incapable of delivering current at sufficient levels.

[ ] it lacks thermal stability at low or high temperatures.

[ ] it lacks the energy density to make it sufficiently portable.

[ ] it has too short of a lifetime.

[ ] its charge rate is too slow.

[ ] its materials are too toxic.

[ ] it is too likely to catch fire or explode.

[ ] it is too minimal of a step forward for anybody to care.

[ ] this was already done 20 years ago and didn't work then.

[ ] by this time it ships li-ion advances will match it.

[ ] your claims are lies

dinfinity · 5 months ago
Cute, but you're supposed to actually mark the applicable ones.

More importantly, there is no claim that it is better than li-ion. They're targeting low power devices used for very long times where replacement is impossible or undesirable.

binary132 · 5 months ago
I think the idea is that the person making the claim is supposed to dutifully fill out the form
benterix · 5 months ago
Your comment applies to most of these articles. However, this one is a bit different. It is actually a niche product for specific devices, especially those that require decades of operation without recharging.
pixelpoet · 5 months ago
Great, we can use them to store all that energy we'll get from our fusion reactors!
benterix · 5 months ago
Actually, it can use some waste from our nuclear reactors.
habibur · 5 months ago
These batteries provide milliwatt level power. Enough to power, maybe a clock circuit without display.
supertrope · 5 months ago
My water company installed a smart meter. Inside is a 30 year battery. When the battery is depleted it should be time to replace the whole meter.
bravesoul2 · 5 months ago
Probably good for the dark, remote, lots of space applications. E.g. a radio beacon near the poles.
gpderetta · 5 months ago
RTGs (radioisotope thermoelectric generator) are already in use for both deeps space and remote applications. Not sure how this differ. Maybe better efficiency? Still, why is it called a battery instead of a generator?

Oh, maybe size as RTGs are bulky.

edit: there have been very small RTGs for use in pacemakers. The difference is really that these are not thermal but use the beta flux directly.

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blueflow · 5 months ago
Maximum wattage of the battery would also be maximum wattage of the radio signal.
willvarfar · 5 months ago
It is easy to imagine a future where tiny nano-electronics are embedded into pretty much everything everywhere. The plants in the field that call for treatment at the first sign of insects or infection, for example.
petard · 5 months ago
This reminds me of those break-through articles about using Scotch tape as mass storage medium.
HPsquared · 5 months ago
Just don't peel it, as the resulting X-rays will probably wipe it!

https://www.technologyreview.com/2008/10/23/217918/x-rays-ma...

burnt-resistor · 5 months ago
Directions unclear: made graphene instead - https://youtu.be/LwmxSjyd
bravesoul2 · 5 months ago
Does this involve a sharpie
rbanffy · 5 months ago
Excellent for all those applications where you need... Almost no power at all.
willvarfar · 5 months ago
The example given in the article was a pacemaker.

I'm guessing there _are_ applications where you don't need a lot of power, but you do want it over a long time and without needing to charge or replace batteries.

It's also easy to imagine places where, whilst power is available, there are manufacturing advantages in not needing to. For example it might make economic sense to have self-powered wirelessly-connected sensors on car bumpers just to avoid the manufacturing cost of wiring them all up?

crinkly · 5 months ago
Pacemakers need a hell of a lot of power for a short amount of time occasionally. To do that you need to store it in something which can be discharged quickly and is low impedance. Which is a capacitor.

This thing generates so little power you couldn’t charge a capacitor up quickly enough or keep one charged with the leakage.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos · 5 months ago
Wireless sensors? I'm sure the engineers will see the ether works fine in a lab but as soon as you try it in the real world it vanishes.
shakna · 5 months ago
A lot of pacemakers on the market today are remote access. They can be dialled into by your doctor and adjusted, in concert with live alerts and logs. Thats not infintisimal power requirements. (Cellular is cheap, but not nothing.)

Whilst we do have long lasting applications in places, a pacemaker was a poor choice of the article.

RobotToaster · 5 months ago
I get your point, but there's a surprising number of those.
gglanzani · 5 months ago
Unless you want to power a device with Microsoft Teams running on it