Well, if you analyze programming language trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines you’d find Rust is the most popular language and C/C++ are barely even used.
I used MS SQL and Oracle at my last job, but what's there to say about them? They've been around forever, are stable and get all the same table-stakes feature updates as everyone else. Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive, you won't be running either on your phone or an embedded device like SQLite either.
They are perhaps #1 and #2 in the "enterprise" market share, but in no way are they overall #1 and #2. Not even close. Which web app or startup uses them?
> This tells us there is a whole world almost totally omitted from discussion on HN
It doesn't though, all it tells you is that it's missing from the headlines in the submissions.
"Enterprise" is discussed on HN too, but inside submissions that aren't exclusively about MS Sql Server. Try searching for some terms on the Algolia HN search, order by date and filter by comments and you'll find the subthreads/submissions where it's discussed :)
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Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I see no mention of it in the post, but MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. Besides of course novelty wearing off as posited for all engines further down the post
I was wondering the same, but I'm not sure if it would make a major change in the graphs. MySQL and MariaDB have both been unpopular on Hacker News for many years. Submissions on either topic rarely get much traction, which then leads to fewer submissions.
> MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over.
No, most large MySQL users are still using MySQL; there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB. They're both actively developed and have grown in slightly different directions. Among corporations, MySQL's usage still far outstrips MariaDB by a significant degree. Lately MariaDB has better product velocity though, and their commercial enterprise finally seems to have stable footing.
> there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB
I don't think I even knew I was running MariaDB at first, or perhaps more as a side note that I saw it dropping in mariadb when I apt installed mysql. If you upgraded Debian some time ago, I'm pretty certain you were automatically migrated, so anyone running that (or, presumably, one of the derivatives like Ubuntu) would have migrated knowingly or unknowingly, hence my assumption
MariaDB is widely used, including by some extremely high-traffic sites like Wikipedia [1], as well as some quite large multinational businesses [2].
It may not be as widespread as MySQL, but that's no surprise; despite HN's disdain, MySQL is still one of the most widely-used open source databases in existence.
UPDATE: Added a weighted average analysis based on story points and comments. SQLite ranks highest in points per story and Redis ranks highest in comments per post. Also added SQLite to the growth table. I had accidentally deleted this row in the original post.
Snowflake seems to have peaked; 2023 was hellish dealing with roomfuls of inexperienced devs and even architects convinced it was the fastest cheapest thing ever.
Well as pointed out above since Oracle and SQL Server don't even show up.. this simply does not reflect enterprise and Snowflake and Eatabricks both lean Enterprise
The data query tool linked at the bottom of the post doesn't work for me. Cloudflare shows error 600010, whatever that means. Nice that there is "no login required" but if it did, or allowed that option, maybe it wouldn't need an algorithm to decide whether my traffic is abusive because you could block abusive accounts instead
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It doesn't though, all it tells you is that it's missing from the headlines in the submissions.
"Enterprise" is discussed on HN too, but inside submissions that aren't exclusively about MS Sql Server. Try searching for some terms on the Algolia HN search, order by date and filter by comments and you'll find the subthreads/submissions where it's discussed :)
Wrote up this query:
Does play.clickhouse contain all the HN data so that we can play with it?
https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/29693
I was wondering the same, but I'm not sure if it would make a major change in the graphs. MySQL and MariaDB have both been unpopular on Hacker News for many years. Submissions on either topic rarely get much traction, which then leads to fewer submissions.
> MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over.
No, most large MySQL users are still using MySQL; there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB. They're both actively developed and have grown in slightly different directions. Among corporations, MySQL's usage still far outstrips MariaDB by a significant degree. Lately MariaDB has better product velocity though, and their commercial enterprise finally seems to have stable footing.
I don't think I even knew I was running MariaDB at first, or perhaps more as a side note that I saw it dropping in mariadb when I apt installed mysql. If you upgraded Debian some time ago, I'm pretty certain you were automatically migrated, so anyone running that (or, presumably, one of the derivatives like Ubuntu) would have migrated knowingly or unknowingly, hence my assumption
It may not be as widespread as MySQL, but that's no surprise; despite HN's disdain, MySQL is still one of the most widely-used open source databases in existence.
[1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MariaDB
[2] https://mariadb.com/resources/customer-stories/