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AlotOfReading · 2 months ago
Actual paper link for those who are interested:

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2025.05.040

For some broader context missing from the article, there's been a long-running "controversy" with certain people in the Chinese Academy of Sciences making an argument called the multiregional hypothesis that modern Chinese evolved in China out of archaic hominins. Every few years they'd dig up another set of bones with weird morphology, slap a new name on it, and claim it represents a new missing link. The Harbin skull was one of these.

These results firmly resolve that discussion on the side of the western consensus. They also support heretofore speculative ideas on how widespread Denisovans were, probably give us a couple other bones that are known to be similar (but lack genetics), and open a lot of research avenues going forward. Outstanding paper.

transcriptase · 2 months ago
It’s not limited to hominins. There’s a bit of a trend among Chinese researchers to conduct extensive genome sequencing and then conclude that economically or culturally significant plant species from Africa or elsewhere in Asia actually originated or were first domesticated in China.
ggm · 2 months ago
It would be useful to understand to what extent this has some basis in ground truth. If it's essentially unknowable, with any confidence, it's just a posture.

If there is significant evidence of domestication originating in China landmass, it fuels other theories of emergence of human cultures.

Your comment is helpful but I think incomplete. Certainly the jokes are rich in the field, "irish invented wireless communications since no glass or copper fragments found in field" type jokes. It used to be "soviets did it first" for a prior generation.

China has significant large landscapes littered with caves. Like parts of Indonesia, and in both cases they have been mostly undisturbed for eons. So it's a landscape rich in potential for preserved remains. I think thats why the hominid discovery in Indonesia was both fascinating and irritating, falling into local power politics and first-rights-to-analyse problems.

The cave systems found in Europe seem to me to point to later occupation and with the changes to the shoreline in Spain and France (and the Doggerland retreat with the north sea) it's arguable older remains are now seaborne and harder to find.

Believing the "out of africa" theory, emergence of these trends in the east prefigures a migration back to europe and down into Austronesia surely?

(not an archeologist but fascinated)

graemep · 2 months ago
> For some broader context missing from the article, there's been a long-running "controversy" with certain people in the Chinese Academy of Sciences making an argument called the multiregional hypothesis that modern Chinese evolved in China out of archaic hominins.

It is appealing because it justifies racism. It is just the contemporary version of polygenism of racial science.

That said, even if human evolution is more complex than simple out of Africa, all of humanity has a lot of shared ancestry and genetics do not support the concept of race.

IAmBroom · 2 months ago
It always reminds me of the Japanese attempts to diminish the status and history of the Ainu, a caucasoid racial group from their northernmost islands.

Extensive research and data now point to the Ainu having lived on those islands from long before Chinese people first sailed to Japan and populated it - making the despised Ainu the true, actual Native Japanese.

amarait · 2 months ago
This is like trying to hide neanderthals because they seem to point to some of the differences in european populations traits such as white skin or blue eyes. If theres evidence I dont think it benefits anybody to discredit it under the racism label
shellfishgene · 2 months ago
Note this is a different paper from that discussed in the article. The new one is https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu9677
hoseja · 2 months ago
Yet they refuse to test the first emperor.
pyman · 2 months ago
This reminds me of the day I found an old storage disk, an ancient "floppy disk", in my dad's attic. It had a label that said: "Tommy’s bookmarks". My mum doesn't remember any of his friends or colleagues named Tommy. In Uruguay, that's a common nickname for Tomas. They were probably website URLs, all long extinct by now (I'd guess).
gerdesj · 2 months ago
Tommy is the standard nickname for Thomas in Britain too. We throw in an extra h in Thomas for no good reason 8)

Our soldiers were, politely, referred to as Tommies by German soldiers during WW1 onwards. The Wehrmacht had all sorts of other names for them too!

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Bluestein · 2 months ago
Funny to imagine how (indeed) such floppies 'intersected" - technologywise - with the early web ...
whatevertrevor · 2 months ago
Sounds like this was pre search engines, so Tommy's bookmarks might just be a collection of cool sites that was spread peer to peer. I remember getting CDs of curated games and demos in the late 90s (and not just licensed demos from computer magazines, but also cracked versions of games that went around).
sitkack · 2 months ago
Yahoo started as page of links.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Internet_email_address

protocolture · 2 months ago
In primary school I was part of a team that developed our school website.

We used CuteHTML as our ""IDE"" and then the daily HTML was backed up to floppy and placed in a filing cabinet.

c22 · 2 months ago
My first router ran off a floppy disk.
hyruo · 2 months ago
However there are two bizarre facts: 1.Modern-day Chinese carry virtually zero Denisovan DNA, yet it accounts for over 5% in indigenous peoples of Southeast Asia and Oceania; 2.Modern-day Chinese possess 20% more Neanderthal DNA than contemporary Europeans.
Melatonic · 2 months ago
Makes you wonder if there are any groups that contain both
ahazred8ta · 2 months ago
But Tibetans have Denisovan dna.
Melatonic · 2 months ago
That's interesting - perhaps the isolation of the high mountains meant less interbreeding ?

Same could be true for island chains (like where they were discovered in Indonesia)

poulpy123 · 2 months ago
I really don't like these clickbait titles
ldjkfkdsjnv · 2 months ago
Dark truths are hidden in ancient dna
jmchuster · 2 months ago
And light truths are visibly open in modern dna