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makeitdouble · 3 months ago
Docker still relies on Rosetta 2 on some parts, I wonder how it will go on that front

https://docs.docker.com/desktop/setup/install/mac-install/

While the documentation doesn't really dig on the issue, I remember it was needed for x86 emulation (if you're trying an older image of MySQL for instance), so I guess other platform emulation will be significantly harder from now on for Apple Silicon ?

placatedmayhem · 3 months ago
I've nearly given up on using containers on macOS for development at work, because I frequently need to test amd64-only containers. One deviation from our production (Linux on x86_64) is bad enough, but two surfaces issues, or even annoyances, frequently enough that I'm likely to take a plain Linux box for my next refresh.

Removal of the parts that Docker Desktop or colima use to provide x86_64 hosting might just seal that for me.

(Remote dev is another option, but I haven't found that particularly ergonomic yet.)

jshier · 3 months ago
They won't do it, as they hate anything more than a minimal testing matrix, but it would be nice if, when the Intel versions of the system frameworks are fully removed, Rosetta 2 could be updated to include them as a downloadable component, so we could keep easy Intel support for those that really need it. It sounds like they're going to do something similar for games, where you can download a version of Rosetta 2 specifically created for them, but it would be nice to make them available for any app.
k_roy · 3 months ago
They won't do it?

Something something seventh incarnation. This is hardly the first time they've changed architectures. I'm actually a little impressed they actually held on this long.

Intel emulation effectively sucks compared to native apps in every way.

This is where we are.

kemotep · 3 months ago
I mean officially Apple no longer supports 32-bit applications, so it’s not a stretch to say they will completely drop x86 support. How many PowerPC MacOS apps work still?
magic_hamster · 3 months ago
Rosetta 2 is pretty important for running amd64 containers on Mac. Removing it will be a big disadvantage. Why take something that works well and throw it away with no alternative?
dwaite · 3 months ago
Why is Rosetta 2 used for running native containers on Apple Silicon?

My understanding was that it was used for running x86_64 containers within a arm64 linux VM, because it could provide hardware accelerated emulation for the linux binaries.

hibbelig · 3 months ago
Your parent explicitly said amd64 which is the same thing as x86_64. Perhaps you misread amd64 and thought it was saying arm64?
112233 · 3 months ago
I have not noticed apple caring much about pro users ever before. Aperture? Final Cut?

I mean, if they could simply kick out all studios that used final cut by making it incompatible, why care now?

JohnTHaller · 3 months ago
Money
shepherdjerred · 3 months ago
Who exactly is profiting, and how?
TMWNN · 3 months ago
I have one Intel app that I am absolutely dependent on
Gigachad · 3 months ago
macOS has never been a good platform for running unmaintained software.
burnt-resistor · 3 months ago
Forced obsolesce and incompatibility in the name of cute design and "progress".

What is needed is an app/infrastructure that doesn't just convert app temporarily but translates them permanently.

seam_carver · 3 months ago
Removing in macOS 28