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Posted by u/scratchyone 10 months ago
Ask HN: Do people actually pay for small web tools?
Hey all, there's a lot of web stuff and tools I'd love to make that I think would honestly be worth a small subscription ($5/mo maybe). I'm always a bit wary of approaching these ideas though because I feel like nobody would ever pay for small web stuff?

I see a lot of success stories but I don't know how much they can be trusted. Those of you who have built small single-use indie tools, do you find that anybody at all actually subscribes? A lot of the stuff I wanna try involves AI so I'd have to make sure subscription profits offset the cost of providing free demos.

delbronski · 10 months ago
People, no. Companies, yes.

If a web tool saves me and my team at work a bit of time for $5/month, yes, 100%, swipe the company card! Sure let’s buy another JS table library.

But if I’m working on a personal project, or I have to pay for said tool with my personal card, probably not. I’ll spend the time building my own solution from scratch while never actually finishing my project.

dagw · 10 months ago
On the other hand if you are targeting companies, just charging $5/month is leaving money on the table. If a company is willing to pay $5/month they are almost certainly also willing to pay $50/month.
Daviey · 10 months ago
It's as complex for me to spend $5 as it is $500, and businesses would approve it equally... but if I perceive it to be excessively priced I won't even try to.
is_true · 10 months ago
I found that selling to some companies comes with a lot of bureaucracy attached.

The last company we signed up to our service took 3 months and at least 4 hours of paperwork, I personally wanted to just tell them to go somewhere else but we kept getting emails from the dev team saying sorry

PunchyHamster · 10 months ago
Also depends on whether company is building it for themselves or a client.

Just the licensing/subscription mess can be detraction if now your company have to tell your client that they need to pay for some 3rd party thing, even if your client have no problems with it it can take months if bureaucracy machine is slow

edarchis · 10 months ago
A former colleague makes it an interview question. He asks the recruiter what the procedure is if he wants to buy a product or use a service under $100/year. If the bureaucracy is overwhelming, it's a major red flag.

When I was working at Cisco, the general rule was to get manager approval and just go for it. Of course, these days, there are security concerns but for most cases, it's not a problem.

In a different company, it was sooo hard to get anything that they refused to buy JetBrains IntelliJ and forced us to use Eclipse. Most of us ended up buying it ourselves.

farseer · 10 months ago
I would definitely pay a small amount for a tool. What I would not do for a personal project is pay $150 every year to renew a small wordpress plugin.
mrweasel · 10 months ago
Currently I pay for LWN, SourceHut, and an email service I'm trying out. I often forget to read LWN for weeks, but I keep renewing it year after year, because I honestly love taking a few minutes out of my morning, get coffee and read an article or two.

SourceHut, I don't use as much as I'd like, but the build and chat services keeps me paying. It's cheap, and I get a lot of enjoyment from using it.

I think if you do these types of services, then you really need to make sure that people feel good about using your service. I know that's a tricky and rather fluffy goal, but you either need to be REALLY good and then you can charge more than $5, or you can make people feel good and if the amount is low, it becomes an easy renewal next month/year.

If you're making a tool, fixed price for the current version, upgrade price for the next version, no subscription. I think we're at a point in time where your target audience would rather fork over $25 right now and then get a license, but would be hard press to give you $5 per month, even for a single month.

brudgers · 10 months ago
there's a lot of web stuff and tools I'd love to make

Make that stiff because doing what you love is doing what you love.

$5/mo

As a business, that is a terrible price. It is not enough money to provide good service and outsource all the things that should be outsourced. [1] Even worse good potential customers know this and bad potential customers don’t care if your business is unsustainable.

[1]: At five bucks a month you will need thousands of customers to cover one well-paid employee [2} focused on customer service, but acquiring, retaining, and servicing thousands of customers probably requires more than one full-time employee…

[2]: Of course if you are doing what you love, then being paid well might not matter. But unless you love solving billing problems, you will be doing some things you don’t love. But being well paid to do what you love is not bad.

coolcase · 10 months ago
Indiehackers.com has stripe-verified revenue for many small saas so check that out to see what makes money. General trend is other than the AI assistant bubble, the money is in marketing automation. The bar is high for dev tools. You compete with Jetbrains for quality and a lot of free stuff for price. Unless you are very niche. E.g. I think something like a tool that solves kubernetes soc2 compliance sort of thing.
shalmanese · 10 months ago
You’re going to get very biased answers to these questions because the people paying for tools don’t post on webforums. They’re generally paying because they care so little about the problem they’re willing to throw money at it to make it go away.

That being said, also $5 is a terrible price. People who pay too much attention to people who post on web forums get gun shy and are afraid to discover what people are actually willing to pay for things.

Everyone who has ever raised their prices has said consistently that a) the number of people who left was below their expectations and b) the people who left were overwhelmingly their most complaining customers who caused the most support burden.

aggregator-ios · 10 months ago
It saddens me to read some of the "no" responses, since I just shipped a few days ago exactly the type of small web app that OP speaks of. I personally find it really useful and wished I had this tool every single time at work. And the original version I made for the Mac App Store 10 years ago was a huge hit, placing in the top 5 rankings for over several weeks worldwide.

As I've grown older, I like to pay for things that make my life more efficient. Even if they are a subscription, and even if I feel like everything unfortunately has turned into a subscription and even if I feel like it should be cheaper. Hacking or finding workarounds to achieve the same thing for free is just not worth my time, and I value my time and boundaries more as I age.

dagw · 10 months ago
For me it's more the thought of another subscription to keep track of than the price itself that often stops me. Charge me a one time price for something cool or useful and I'll probably pay. If you want me to subscribe to a thing then the barrier you need to clear is much higher.
muzani · 10 months ago
$5/month is sort of the worst spot. I'd pay $1/month for some things (budgeting tools) and $20/month for say, chatgpt. And I paid $5 lifetime (life being ~5 years) for a resume tool once.

These days AI will probably build most of the things you'd charge a tiny fee for. $5/month is kind of the rate of a battle pass for a MMO, not quite a "small tool".

carlosjobim · 10 months ago
But you are then also the kind of customer that nobody wants. It's not worth doing business with people who want to pay less than $10 per month for a service. Those are problem customers always, so it's better to price them out.
Hamuko · 10 months ago
$1/month might be a bit shit because of transaction fees unless you charge per-year instead.
muzani · 10 months ago
Some forms of payment charge on a percentage. Microtransactions are a thing too.
flave · 10 months ago
As another commenter said, $5 is a terrible price.

$5 a month works for apps with huge user bases and they just take the small conversion and that makes their business run. And this is never web apps (certainly not new ones because the easy ones already exist).

If you charge $30-$100 a month you have to find 10 times less people which is way way easier for a small web dev. Yes the problem you solve will have to be more acute but a. There are actually loads of rich people out there - more than you think and b. You now basically only have to build for your most committed users.

See 1000 True Fans for better, fuller explanation: https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/