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MJGrzymek · 4 months ago
I don't get it, surely they can build it for less than $3B, and why would they need the Windsurf brand?
lanthissa · 4 months ago
With stuff like this, they like the team that built it and want them on their side.

If you believe the founders/team is the right group to deliver a core product 3b is nothing to get them onside.

xenospn · 4 months ago
There is literally never a context in which 3b is “nothing”. Not even for a company that just raised 40b.
CharlesW · 4 months ago
The "Windsurf" brand has little value in comparison to OpenAI's, but $3B lets them hit the ground running with a proven developer product (better than Cursor IMHO), the team who created it, and a customer base.
jemmyw · 4 months ago
Maybe ChatGPT told them it was a good idea? Considering the proliferation of these tools there's no way it's worth $3B. This functionality is going to be built into every IDE eventually: vscode just got an agent mode, it might not be great yet but it's only a matter of time until Windsurf is essentially just management tools because there won't be much editor value add available.
OutOfHere · 4 months ago
Precisely. For most users, there is hardly value in moving off of VSCode. Granted, if Windsurf can make itself into a VSCode extension, there may be some competitive value to it.
383toast · 4 months ago
It's obvious they can't build it for $3b, otherwise they would've created a competitor already.
Gee101 · 4 months ago
Does it mean that OpenAI is realising that Llms are not going to improve that much so they are trying to expand horizontally.
CharlesW · 4 months ago
Not necessarily. When growth is the priority, companies tend to expand along the value chain once they've established a foothold. For OpenAI, an IDE is a natural extension in a market where they're competing with Microsoft. It would be surprising if Anthropic didn't do the same soon.
anizan · 4 months ago
What’s wild is that Microsoft who’s a big investor in OpenAI is competing with a similar product copilot
killerstorm · 4 months ago
What's wild is that Copilot was literally the first system of this kind and ended up being the worst.
consumer451 · 4 months ago
The only official-ish statement I’ve seen on this:

> Hey all this is speculation, probably stemming from earlier in the week when we had the joint livestream with OpenAI.

> There’s a ton of interest and attention on Windsurf rn which is awesome, but we are 100 percent focused on building amazing products.

> Not sure where this article came from, but we have some amazing updates next week that are gonna blow your socks off

https://old.reddit.com/r/windsurf/s/0CR07Qwkf9

gman83 · 4 months ago
I use Windsurf, but I only use Claude, it's just worked far better for me than OpenAI's models.
OutOfHere · 4 months ago
This week OpenAI released newer models, so it could now use a reassessment. They are: gpt-4.1 family, o3, o4-mini. Users are benefiting from the ongoing competition which hopefully will last all the way to self-improving AGI.
debian3 · 4 months ago
Tried them, sonnet is still where it’s at. Not sure what is the special sauce at Anthropic.
minimaxir · 4 months ago
Sure, why not? If OpenAI wants to have their own social network, might as well have their own IDE too.

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rvz · 4 months ago
Hmm... I thought they would buy Cursor yesterday. [0]

Anyway, it always makes sense to buy something much cheaper.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43698819

_--__--__ · 4 months ago
I do not regularly use either, but my impression is that Cursor's users have primarily been using Claude and are largely switching to Gemini, while Windsurf has a lot of existing enterprise contracts that wouldn't even notice an underlying model switch from the proprietary Codeium model to o3 mini or whatever.
mkozlows · 4 months ago
Windsurf users are mostly using Claude too.
ein0p · 4 months ago
Could be that they're negotiating with both in an attempt to create better price leverage. That's what I would do.
rpicard · 4 months ago
This would make a lot of sense for both sides I think. Owning the part of the stack that decides where the inference requests go is like Google owning the browser.
mrdependable · 4 months ago
Didn't Windsurf just come out a few months ago? Wish I could read the article to understand how that number was reached.
minimaxir · 4 months ago
The parent company Codeium last raised a Series C of $150M at a valuation of $1.25B: https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/29/github-copilot-competitor-...

That was in August 2024, before the vibe-coding meme hype, so $3B makes sense.

JLvL · 4 months ago
TechCrunch has a more recent article (https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/19/ai-coding-startup-codeium-...) that has the company valued at $2.85 billion but this was due to them being in talks to raise even more funding this financial quarter.