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arresin · a year ago
If the facts of this case are true: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Kilmar_Abrego... then this is an unthinkable crime and has to be the red line for both sides of politics.
bloppe · a year ago
It doesn't have to be a red line for maga. In fact, for them, the cruelty is the whole point. They want the fear and simply don't care about laws.
tharmas · a year ago
Yes, this is exactly it. Eventually the cruelty and fear become the ends themselves rather than a means to an end.
generalizations · a year ago
> don't care about laws

Look at the legal analysis, not the sensationalist story: this is IIRC preexisting legal machinery, now being used for a different purpose.

You dislike how it is used; I dislike that it exists. We are not the same.

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helle253 · a year ago
My wife is a naturalized citizen (and a brown one with a muslim name, at that)), and to be perfectly honest I'm no longer confident this admin won't start looking into denaturalizating people like her, for no reason except their ethnicity.

It's clear they're taking a 'the Court has written their law. Now let them enforce it.' approach, and it's not clear anybody is going to stop them.

shepherdjerred · a year ago
Are you planning on emigrating?

Just curious. I'm starting to worry it might be the only right option

helle253 · a year ago
Not explicitly planning on it currently, but it is something that's in the back of my head. If denaturalizations do start happening, we would have a frank conversation about what to do. I don't know that we would stay in America. The tail risks would simply be too high.

I don't know, its frightening to think about. I don't think its LIKELY, yet. but i cant say its UNTHINKABLE anymore.

int_19h · a year ago
You're right to be concerned, given that the circles around Trump, and Trump himself, have been openly discussing denaturalization for some time now.
angryantant · a year ago
> The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said, 'No, he's not the one,' like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, 'Take him anyway,'
wnevets · a year ago
why is ICE wasting millions of dollars arresting the wrong people but DOGE is cutting cancer research? Its time to abolish ICE.
ty6853 · a year ago
Because they are cowards and taking innocent gay barbers, sheet metal workers that are family men, and teenage barely men is easier than facing a tatted up legit MS13 gang member who fires back and fights back.
lokar · a year ago
I really think ICE has quotas to hit. It would explain a lot of their behavior, and it’s clear the king really cares about the weekly numbers.
int_19h · a year ago
I don't think it's just the quotas. My past experience with CBP and specifically things I witnessed at border crossings led me to the conclusion that the very nature of the job attracts people who basically have a sadistic streak and enjoy having that kind of power over others and exercising it.
exe34 · a year ago
when a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become the king. the palace becomes a circus.
duxup · a year ago
Imposing their will isn't waste as far as the administration is concerned. All acts, right or wrong can be spun as them doing something.

And the current administration doesn't care about "waste", they only care if the given policy, department, money advances their goals / corruption and etc. They're happy to waste in that context.

junek · a year ago
Because one kind of thing helps people and the other kind of thing inflicts pointless cruelty on the innocent.

And the regime loves pointless cruelty.

anal_reactor · a year ago
It's because average voter prioritizes deportations over cancer research.
bloppe · a year ago
You're thinking about this wrong. There's no place for logical questions here.
JohnTHaller · a year ago
They have quotas to hit to meet the Republican party's fake numbers of 'the people who are to blame'
unethical_ban · a year ago
Because government terror, cutting education, and normalizing authoritarianism and corruption is the point.
outsidein · a year ago
Wake up, American tech people (or anybody with remains of intelligence and humanity). Solve this issue from inside before the system implodes or sets the world even more on fire than it has done already.
MisterTea · a year ago
How much money is the USA paying El Salvador to run this human torture operation? What a disgrace.
tharmas · a year ago
I think its $6 Million.
tocs3 · a year ago
betaby · a year ago
Do they read those messages? In Canada they definitely not - I've never received a reply even from the secretary.
_verandaguy · a year ago
This would depend on your riding and what you're writing about.

I've received replies from my MPP, MP, and a handful of cabinet ministers over the years writing about a few at-the-time hot topics. Doug Ford, for all his faults, is apparently quite responsive if you just text him (that's secondhand knowledge from a friend, I can't tell you if it's actually him on the other side of the line, but it's a thing that exists. Make of that what you will. )

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rbetts · a year ago
I regularly receive responses from my reps here in Massachusetts. They also hold town hall meetings where you can ask questions and listen first-hand. I attended one last night and spoke 1:1 with my Congresswoman for a moment afterwards.

I'm sure there are districts where this is not the case in the US - but I hope everyone with concerns reaches out to their elected officials and takes an hour once or twice a year to listen to them in person when they are present in their districts.

If your rep doesn't answer you, tell your neighbors and vote for one who will.

adamnemecek · a year ago
Is the US legit fascist now?
doesnotexist · a year ago
Well there are now many instances of enforced disappearances.[1] To what the administration likes to call jails in Ecuador, except for the fact jails and prisons are part of legitimate criminal justice systems with judicial review/due process. These can be more accurately described as concentration camps given that they lack the features that would make them legitimate jails or detention facilities.

[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/wg-disappearance...

" [Enforced disappearance] is characterized by three cumulative elements (defined in A/HRC/16/48/Add.3):

A) Deprivation of liberty against the will of the person;

B) Involvement of government officials, at least by acquiescence;

C) Refusal to acknowledge the deprivation of liberty or concealment of the fate or whereabouts of the disappeared person. "

If you think about the administration's unwillingness to comply with the court's ruling to return the individual, who by their own admission, they mistakenly took away due to an "administrative error" there are many open questions. How do we know that the individual is still alive? For that matter, how do we know that all the other people who they say were removed from the country are still alive?

We have no independently verified information as to fates of these people. More likely than not, in the course of these actions by the government, the number of deaths is some number greater than zero. Even if they have not performed outright executions, some deaths as a result of the conditions and or their treatment in custody is almost certain. So is that state sanctioned man slaughter/murder? Does this make ICE a death squad?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_squad

cmurf · a year ago
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/concentrat...

What distinguishes a concentration camp from a prison (in the modern sense) is that it functions outside of a judicial system. The prisoners are not indicted or convicted of any crime by judicial process.

magicalhippo · a year ago
You could check the Realtime Facism Tracker[1], that someone here made[2].

[1]: https://www.realtimefascism.com/

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42964280

nabla9 · a year ago
Illiberal democracy, authoritarian, fascist. Facist sound bad so everyone just jumps to that.
UncleSlacky · a year ago
Yes, has been for a while.
int_19h · a year ago
Not yet, given that we can have this conversation out in the open.
mandmandam · a year ago
... You realize this story is flagged, right? And I would bet you anything you like that it's being suppressed across Twitter, Facebook and other large sites.