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Posted by u/bittercynic 7 months ago
How to prepare to flee your country?
I live in the bay area, and like it here, but am starting to think it would be smart to get things lined up so that it would be possible to leave fairly quickly and establish a life in another country if necessary.

I'm looking for insights into what complications are likely to come up if I'm trying to flee at the same time as a large number of others. For example, that might make it a very bad time to try to sell your home.

Terr_ · 7 months ago
Without more information, I think you're overreacting.

Don't get me wrong: It's not because the situation isn't serious. However you're in "the bay area", as opposed to some backwater white-supremacy proto-ethnostate. You already have neighbors and state legislators that are opposed to whatever is coming down the dumbest-timeline pipe, make your stand with them.

Not only will locally organizing give better results, it'll cost you a lot less in time, energy, and money than trying to emigrate in a panic.

Trasmatta · 7 months ago
Yeah, due to the peculiarities of the US (and why you might want to flee), you may be better off just making sure you're in a blue state and a blue city. Certainly easier than trying to leave the country, which is quite a bit harder. Especially if you have family here.
csomar · 7 months ago
You can flee your average random country (and even Russia). However, it is unlikely you'll be able to flee the US. The US collapsing will probably bring the end of a 1/3 of the world countries or so that only exist because of the US order.

Also if the US collapses into several states, you no longer have a passport. There is a precedent for this (Soviet Union) where "russians" found themselves essentially stateless. So unless you have a second nationality, your best bet is to stay where you are to ensure the new nationality stick to you (hopefully).

If you have a second passport, residence and home, you probably wouldn't be asking this question anyway. Preparing such an infrastructure is out of reach for most people, unfortunately.

uberman · 7 months ago
Do you have a new country already lined up with proper visas, residency, or citizenship? If not there is no point in any other planning.
throwaway657656 · 7 months ago
Can I ask why are your fleeing ? Are you chronically ill lacking health insurance and going to another country for their nationalized health care ? Or maybe you have unpaid gambling debts and your life is at risk ? Perhaps you are here illegally and need to flee before you are held in an internment camp ? Is there an upcoming bill that targets the marginalized group you are part of ? U.S. Military and don't want to be part of the Gaza/Canada/Greenland/* invasion force ?

Or upon reflection are you fleeing because your general anxiety is high (totally get it) and the flight or fight response is all consuming ? Because there is no way to flee that.

archagon · 7 months ago
It may be wise to plan ahead before, for example:

* Political speech starts getting monitored and targeted for detention/arrest

* Immigration into other countries gets backlogged

* Other countries stop letting Americans in entirely as a sanction

* Border controls become a lot more restrictive

Is any of this actually going to happen in the next few years? Who the fuck knows. But the likelihood just increased substantially.

jf22 · 7 months ago
Would any amount of planning offset these risks though?
GeezNuts · 7 months ago
>the Gaza/Canada/Greenland/* invasion force

LMAO!

morkalork · 7 months ago
Hey now, don't forget Mexico and Panama on that list!
toomuchtodo · 7 months ago
Find a property manager now who would rent it out while you’re out of country. This defers the disposal decision into the future. You may want to return eventually. Also covers the mortgage and might provide the monthly income you’d need to demonstrate for a visa (see below).

If you have not yet found a country that suits you, make time to travel now to explore some options based on your criteria, residency, and work visa constraints (digital nomad visa vs non lucrative passive income, for example).

Depending on your means, there are many countries you can purchase outright for under $200k. Mortgages can usually be had with 40% down. Renting is almost always an option.

Line up housing (rent or own), income, and residency. Have a plan what you’ll sell, ship or store, travel plans to move, etc. Execute plan when your risk appetite is exceeded.

Canada: https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/findajob/foreign-candidates

Estonia: https://workinestonia.com/

Germany: https://make-it-in-germany.com/

Denmark: https://workindenmark.dk/

Finland: https://workinfinland.com/

UK: https://findajob.dwp.gov.uk/

Sweden: https://arbetsformedlingen.se/

New Zealand: https://www.live-work.immigration.govt.nz/work-in-new-zealan...

https://old.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/

nicbou · 7 months ago
I have been considering the same question since covid and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I was shocked to see how quickly you can end up trapped in your own country.

I have made a few preparations since then.

I always keep a few thousand euros in cash at home, enough to keep me going with a frozen bank account. Even when all goes well, ATM limits can be restrictive. In a worse situation, money can be hard to access.

I keep a bit of money with my family abroad. Enough to soften the landing even if I arrive with just the clothes on my back.

I have citizenship on another continent. I refused to become a EU citizen until I was guaranteed dual citizenship.

I keep a lot more liquid assets than most. I would prefer to keep more of it out of Europe but that is not so easy.

My pension is not tied to any country. This was an important feature for me.

I can work from anywhere. I can leave early while most people would wait until things get really bad.

That being said, I try not to worry too much. These things are set up precisely so I don't have to. They're a sort of insurance policy.

aspect0545 · 7 months ago
Can you elaborate on your pension? How do you achieve that?
nicbou · 7 months ago
It's one of the features of the specific German private pension I pay into. It allows me to keep contributing if I leave Germany, and to withdraw it under more flexible terms as needed.
slwvx · 7 months ago
I know of a person who is looking into buying an apartment in what they consider to be a stable country (Uruguay). They are not immediately planning to flee, but making contingency plans.

I am supportive of my friend and sympathetic to their concerns, yet even if things got much worse my inclination would be to stay and engage with friends and family who have ideas that I strongly disagree with.

BriggyDwiggs42 · 7 months ago
I think engagement is always worthwhile, but friends and family aren’t likely the threat people are worried about. Some people are worried about getting persecuted for their particular minority status and that either isn’t an issue, or it’s one that isn’t solved with debate.
Spooky23 · 7 months ago
I’ve looked at it from the prospect of an adventure or enrichment for my kids, not “fleeing”. I have dual citizenship with an EU country.

The problem is that I’m both too rich and too poor to do it. If I had nothing, no problem. If I were rich, I could afford the attorneys and other professionals needed to live abroad without getting jammed up.

Some people pull off the nomad lifestyle. That’s cool, but it really depends on stability here in the United States. You could be living your best life in Bali, but living at the whim of policy in Washington.