> So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car.
Great. F ‘em all. AEB and a manually operated limiter is all one needs. Maps? In-car db works well, they are updated anyway every so often. Anyway, who cares about maps when every car manufacturer tries to sell me subpar android auto or some other carplay.
> In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…
Your phone doesn’t drive around the city filming every damn thing. Mine is either in the pocket or in a door bin.
Now, you can of course choose to walk around the city with a phone streaming everything directly on the internet but you’ll definitely make yourself visible arguing with a group of cops about your 1st amendment rights every couple hundred yards.
Another protectionist measure to help the laggards in the us auto industry. Will they be condemned to serve just the US market while the Chinese firms eat the rest of South America, Africa, Asia, and Europe?
> Another protectionist measure to help the laggards in the us auto industry.
Maybe. I would not be surprised if the was some lobbying in that direction.
But the USA has also recently had it's communications ripped a new one by hackers. Not once, but several times, and they've been able to spy on the communications of the highest levels of government.
That sounds bad enough, but its fairly benign compare to what could happen. For example, I amazed to discover my solar inverter was controlled by a web site in China. I hate it in general, but to be fair to China this delegation of control is everywhere and is done every country - for example I guess most Chinese mobile phones are controlled by Apple and/or Google.
It's all pretty harmless I guess when we are all getting along. But if China and Australia suddenly weren't getting along it means China could literally shut off Australia power grid, as during the day it's not uncommon for Australia to get most of its power from household solar. There is no need for the sort of subterfuge the USA had to pull with getting Stuxnet into the Iraqi centrifuges, as China already has control over a large part of Australia's power generation. If they can program those inverters to change their phase they can probably take out the entire grid.
And now if China wins the bulk of the car market (which seems like a distinct possibility), they could also have control over most of the cars in the USA, along with their video and sensor feeds. This must be the stuff of nightmares in some quarters.
How did we let ourselves get into the situation that allows a robot vacuum send photos of us on the shitter back to a foreign country, without our knowledge? It's just insane. And while I understand the motivation in this case, this ban isn't the solution. It needs to go far deeper.
Europe too seems willing to install protectionist policies to help its own laggards while they’re trying to "catch up".
However, it seems unlikely the me that they will (on the long term) — unless they find some huge surprise reservoir of rare earths somewhere within their borders.
"IP theft" is an extremely broad term, especially as it seems to be applied to every single Chinese industry. What was stolen? Who was found guilty of that theft?
Without clear specifics, it's about as relevant as saying Jobs stole the idea of MacOS from a Xerox PARC demo. Ideas are cheap, execution is what matters.
I think America retreating behind the ramparts is going to adversely affect other countries in the short term, but will create valuable self sufficiency in them in the long term.
Won’t it affect America as well? Yes, it buys time, but also delays innovation, disrupts global supply chains and ultimately means costlier American cars no?
Same, the price without tariffs is my reference point now, I'll not be buying an overpriced domestic car just because some politicians get their pockets lined
> "Cars today aren't just steel on wheels – they're computers,"
Okay, but are we putting such import restrictions on computers?
I'm actually pretty okay with certain bans based on national security grounds, but they should do a better job distinguishing between the types of hardware and software that could be potentially problematic and actually do an industry-wide ban. Otherwise this is rightfully going to be picked apart on protectionist grounds.
It's because America has been known for it's car market for the past 100 years. China's car market is huge and growing. Look at the lineup of vehicles here vs China for companies like Ford. They have more models being sold in China than they do here. Trump is really pushing to bring manufacturing back to Detroit from Mexico as well.
I'd expect that foreigners don't have the same rights as the constitution would grant a citizen. The same goes with a reasonable right to privacy - it generally only applies to citizens. The US government isn't there to protect the world (though they may appear to try sometimes).
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Well, that's the problem right there! Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from.
In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…
None of those require constant internet conectivity.
Great. F ‘em all. AEB and a manually operated limiter is all one needs. Maps? In-car db works well, they are updated anyway every so often. Anyway, who cares about maps when every car manufacturer tries to sell me subpar android auto or some other carplay.
> In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…
Your phone doesn’t drive around the city filming every damn thing. Mine is either in the pocket or in a door bin.
Now, you can of course choose to walk around the city with a phone streaming everything directly on the internet but you’ll definitely make yourself visible arguing with a group of cops about your 1st amendment rights every couple hundred yards.
No, you no underestand. That no problem. That solution. Chinese and Russians problem. /s
> Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from.
The collected data wants to be sold. /s
Maybe. I would not be surprised if the was some lobbying in that direction.
But the USA has also recently had it's communications ripped a new one by hackers. Not once, but several times, and they've been able to spy on the communications of the highest levels of government.
That sounds bad enough, but its fairly benign compare to what could happen. For example, I amazed to discover my solar inverter was controlled by a web site in China. I hate it in general, but to be fair to China this delegation of control is everywhere and is done every country - for example I guess most Chinese mobile phones are controlled by Apple and/or Google.
It's all pretty harmless I guess when we are all getting along. But if China and Australia suddenly weren't getting along it means China could literally shut off Australia power grid, as during the day it's not uncommon for Australia to get most of its power from household solar. There is no need for the sort of subterfuge the USA had to pull with getting Stuxnet into the Iraqi centrifuges, as China already has control over a large part of Australia's power generation. If they can program those inverters to change their phase they can probably take out the entire grid.
And now if China wins the bulk of the car market (which seems like a distinct possibility), they could also have control over most of the cars in the USA, along with their video and sensor feeds. This must be the stuff of nightmares in some quarters.
How did we let ourselves get into the situation that allows a robot vacuum send photos of us on the shitter back to a foreign country, without our knowledge? It's just insane. And while I understand the motivation in this case, this ban isn't the solution. It needs to go far deeper.
However, it seems unlikely the me that they will (on the long term) — unless they find some huge surprise reservoir of rare earths somewhere within their borders.
BMW meanwhile is wasting more time on fuel cells.
Without clear specifics, it's about as relevant as saying Jobs stole the idea of MacOS from a Xerox PARC demo. Ideas are cheap, execution is what matters.
"Intellectual property" is an economic policy, not a moral imperative.
You mean 4 wheels and a steering wheel ? /s
US stopped having IP in cars a long time ago. Damn, even Ford wanted to close its shop some years ago.
Okay, but are we putting such import restrictions on computers?
I'm actually pretty okay with certain bans based on national security grounds, but they should do a better job distinguishing between the types of hardware and software that could be potentially problematic and actually do an industry-wide ban. Otherwise this is rightfully going to be picked apart on protectionist grounds.
Of course, in EU is knowledge that it is better to avoid American cars. Ford seems to be the exception though.
I think it is the right approach.
But does it violate Free Speech rights?
I'd expect that foreigners don't have the same rights as the constitution would grant a citizen. The same goes with a reasonable right to privacy - it generally only applies to citizens. The US government isn't there to protect the world (though they may appear to try sometimes).