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klooney · a year ago
> Chip orders with collective computation power up to roughly 1,700 advanced GPUs do not require a license

Structuring, but for gpus. Seems like the sort of loophole you could drive a truck through.

lazide · a year ago
I don’t know what you’re talking about officer! I always ship just 1,699 GPUs, otherwise the box gets too full!
franktankbank · a year ago
Officer leans over and finds another gpu right underneath the bumper... got em.
jonbraun · a year ago
> Restricting the transfer to non-trusted actors of the model weights for advanced closed-weight models. The rule does not in any way inhibit the publication of model weights for open-weight models.

> Setting security standards to protect the weights of advanced closed-weight AI models, permitting them to be stored and used securely around the world while helping prevent illicit adversary access.

Controlling the weights is becoming critical for the US…

treyd · a year ago
I think it's interesting that they're actually using the term "open-weight" here instead of what AI corps would want you to use which would be "open-source", trying to conflate sources and weights. Perhaps a good sign, for a week.
ChrisArchitect · a year ago
gnabgib · a year ago
Note Oracle's statement is already a week old (Jan 5th), it's not in response to this Whitehouse order. Expect we'll see a new statement from them soon.
nickpsecurity · a year ago
Singapore’s Copyright Act already had the best Text and Data Mining exception. If scraped yourself, anything on the Internet is probably legal to train with.

Now, both Europe and the U.S. are trying to regulate both training and distribution of A.I. models. That might make Singapore an even better place for training A.I. models. The only question is if they have any regulations on training or distribution outside of the Copyright Act.

logicchains · a year ago
The linked executive order restricts exports of large numbers of GPUs to Singapore, which might make training models there hard, at least until Chinese GPU technology catches up enough.
nickpsecurity · a year ago
There’s companies hosting GPU’s in Singapore. There’s also probably places without export restrictions to Singapore that have GPU’s to sell them. They might also buy them in smaller quantities from many suppliers online. Finally, they could try distributed training on the various, low-cost clouds.

A higher-risk option would be to build or buy FPGA accelerators. They’ve had lots of FPGA’s over there. They might be able to do A.I. on them. It would also be easier for their engineers to port published designs to FPGA’s than to make ASIC’s. Then, maybe make their own FPGA like some academic teams did.

heyflyguy · a year ago
Are we trying to slow global competition with bad actors by restricting their ability to run compute on these.

And then we don't want GPT4o closed models going over the fence, but we are ok with Llama3.3?

I am I reading this correctly?

gosub100 · a year ago
You and I have to compete in this "competitive" job market thanks to AI, but we can't have US megacorps compete with China who might develop better tools used to swindle us.
agilob · a year ago
>Are we trying to slow global competition with bad actors by restricting their ability to run compute on these.

Huawei GPUs

bayindirh · a year ago
> but we are ok with Llama3.3?

Considering Meta's view about the new president, the new Llama might become closed source at any moment now.

kcb · a year ago
In seriousness, this make Meta's decision to push open weight models incredibly valuable. Now there's no restrictions on their geographic use or "Security Standards" unlike their competitors.
paulvnickerson · a year ago
Which will apply for exactly one week.
Over2Chars · a year ago
It seems like Trump would only go harder on this kind of thing "as a negotiating tactic" or something.

He seems unlikely to make it easier for China, at least without something in return.

suraci · a year ago
Quite the opposite

The US' usual pressure tactic is to create a bluff, first raise sanctions, and use this as a bargaining chip in negotiations to gain benefits. If you observe closely enough, you will find that every time before the U.S. government negotiates with the Chinese government, it announces new sanctions or other pressure tactics. Biden, however, played the card that Trump was going to play prematurely.

Trump can not go 'harder', because Biden has compressed Trump's tactical space.

So, when Trump enters the White House, he will find that he has few cards left to play - Chips, Oil, Ukrain War, interest rates, debt and deficit , etc Instead, there'll be mines left for him by Biden admin.

kcb · a year ago
Nvidia responds with a Trump endorsement: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/ai-policy/
Xunjin · a year ago
As far as I can see, if Trump follows the rhetoric of "Anti-China" for security policy and "America First" trade policy, I believe they will continue with more enforcement.
asddubs · a year ago
>As the First Trump Administration demonstrated, America wins through innovation, competition and by sharing our technologies with the world — not by retreating behind a wall of government overreach.

that's kind of a strange thing to say

adamsb6 · a year ago
Not long ago like 90% of Hacker News commenters would have agreed with the sentiment that information wants to be free.

Many of you purchased merchandise with DeCSS code written on it.

Xunjin · a year ago
Maybe they are playing the card of "Trump is with us" and will undo it?
bayarearefugee · a year ago
> that's kind of a strange thing to say

Not when your goal is to publicly fellate Donald Trump.

CyberDildonics · a year ago
Trump's tariffs plan is all about wielding power over companies. Now companies need to suck up to him to avoid tariffs as much as possible. Suck up could mean public endorsements, pressure on other companies, campaign "donations" (bribes), "investments" (bribes) etc.

It is political power for money in a direct way and it is going to get a lot worse and less subtle.

TinkersW · a year ago
Is this deepthroating because they are worried about his tariffs raising GPU prices in the US?
logicchains · a year ago
This is great news for Huawei: people outside China will finally have a reason to buy their GPUs, because a mediocre GPU is better than no GPU.
dist-epoch · a year ago
China will impose similar regulations and export restrictions.
kcb · a year ago
Maybe, on the US and our 18 friends. Meaning we've accomplished nothing besides giving the rest of the world to China.