Says it took them 40 seconds to determine suicide. I'm not sure how that determination could be made without knowledge of the firearm's ownership. Did he legally own the firearm? If not, how did he acquire the firearm?
Is anyone else noticing the number of whistleblower deaths occurring? Boeing has had several in the past year.
The victim's grieving mother says that it took 40 seconds, with no explanation of where that number came from. I strongly suspect that this is not how the medical examiner would characterize things. Even if the police have incontrovertible evidence of what happened, they would not be running around telling the media about it for the sake of OpenAI's reputation.
I would assume if you're an overworked cop in an underfunded police department, it's gonna be hard to prove a murder from what looks like a suicide.
A toxicology is going to cost money and maybe not actually provide any more details. Any needle marks are likely to go unnoticed by the coroner doing the post mortem, if one is even given.
And the sad thing is, after all the investigation has happened, it's possible he killed himself. I'm sure lots of parents have thought their children would have never be capable of doing that, only to find out later that they did.
While I doubt OpenAI is responsible for wrongdoing. OpenAI's strategic importance to AI development warrants an FBI investigation as a standard procedure.
The whistleblower may have been approached by foreign governments seeking classified information, but declined to share it. There are many potential scenarios to consider, beyond the obvious.
Very wealthy people have access to very exclusive and potentially unethical and/or illegal capabilities. Many do not think they are bound to the same rules as the rest of society. Some are probably not.
OpenAI the company may not be responsible, but there are elites in the OpenAI sphere who might be.
Yes, this is a plausible scenario. High-exposure tech industries tend to attract all sorts of government entities from across the world. I worked on a high exposure crypto project and witnessed everything from coercion to sabotage. You just notice people acting in weird ways and it's not clear what their agenda is.f
Interesting to see how quick people jump to conclusions. Would it not be just as reasonable that this individual was struggling with mental health issues?
I would think a whistleblower regardless of the legitimacy of claims, would be under extra stress and perhaps even likelier that folks with preexisting mental health conditions would be more inclined to go down this route. Higher chance of suicide seems more plausible than companies whacking people. It should certainly be investigated still.
Why would you say: people with preexisting mental health conditions are more likely to be whistleblowers? That's a very prejudiced statement if I'm correct in what you mean.
I'd rather say these people are more sensitive and aware of the consequences of their actions which is why they chose the path of a whistleblower, which is very different from saying they had mental health issues from the beginning.
Other way around, I did a poor job of phrasing it. There are many many whistleblowers annually . We hear about one or two of the high profile ones and of those there may be a suicide. I find suicide less surprising statistically than a company whacking the person. Especially in this case, they whacked him because he is going to tell the world they trained on copyright material? The simpler explanation is the position he was in probably led to a mental health crisis. I imagine a lot of his coworkers were friends, gone, company gone. Lots of potential stress for a younger person.
Plenty of mental health conditions make a person more likely to have a stronger reaction to a situation, to take risks, or to act without consideration of consequences. Following up a whistleblower act with suicide because it didn’t go as hoped is also not surprising.
I think many people underestimate the mental anguish caused by being ostracized by your former coworkers, and by the realization that, even after a lifetime of working hard, your career prospects are now in tatters.
This reminds me a bit of the murder, also initially called a suicide, of actor Sushant Singh Rajput, also a very intelligent young Indian man living in Mumbai at the time (2020).He was felt to be a threat due to his extreme talents, intelligence, integrity and innocence to the evil that surrounded him. Bollywood Mafia. Tragic.
My guess with this young man, now a hero, is that E.Musk set it up then donated 10,000. annon. to the family. People need to speak up publicly that this was NOT A SUICIDE. Protests in S.F. are in order. There needs to be an investigation.
The new method to manage political dissidents/whistleblowers in the 21st century is chemical weapons that produce profound states of depression/anxiety that can bring about obsessive thoughts about suicide.
These poisons work miracles. If the person talks about it, most people will believe they are crazy before believing they are being poisoned. There is no way to prove you have been poisoned without spending millions of dollars. All of the advances in medical science pave the way for these poisons to be developed and manufactured cheaply.
OpenAI has direct connections to the military industrial complex in the US. The leaders in these orgs have huge egos that don't like to be double-crossed, and despite it not making sense long term for their business, they are perfectly safe to retaliate using these methods and choose to do so.
> These poisons work miracles. If the person talks about it, most people will believe they are crazy before believing they are being poisoned. There is no way to prove you have been poisoned without spending millions of dollars.
They’re called satellites. They probably made him hallucinate.
> The leaders in these orgs have huge egos that don't like to be double-crossed, and despite it not making sense long term for their business, they are perfectly safe to retaliate using these methods and choose to do so.
When billions - perhaps trillions - of dollars are on the line, CEOs and their associates will stop at nothing to get that money. They're surely not going to let the life of a single person stand in their way.
Look at what the eBay CEO did to someone simply criticizing them.
>Look at what the eBay CEO did to someone simply criticizing them.
If you're trying to imply openai killed him and that's the best example of corporate retaliation you can come up with, then you're nowhere close to proving your point. Sending pigs heads is despicable, by nowhere close to ordering a hit.
I listened to the podcast "Kill List" where journalists got backend access to a hitman for hire website and do episodes featuring targeted individuals they notified.
What I got out of it is a garden variety abuser crosses the threshold to actually ordering a hit when the abuser felt they lost power over the abused.
A whistleblower about to publicly testify would 100% match up with that.
I'm implying that is something that needs to be investigated. The motive is there: hundreds of billions of dollars. And people do not become billionaires by being nice and playing nice. Many of them have clinical psychopathy (ASPD).
Do you think the Boeing whistle blowers just keep running into bad luck?
"Seven eBay employees pleaded guilty to charges involving criminal conspiracies.[3][4] The seven employees included two senior members of eBay’s corporate security team.[5] Two members of eBay's Executive Leadership Team who were implicated in the scandal were not charged"
It just doesn’t add up that someone of his profile (2nd generation techie, grew up in Bay Area, liked hiking, bicycling, rock climbing, etc.) would own a gun in San Francisco. Why isn’t SFPD clarifying what the gun trace led them to ? Was it a legal firearm ? Who bought it ? Where ?
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Is anyone else noticing the number of whistleblower deaths occurring? Boeing has had several in the past year.
https://fortune.com/2024/05/02/boeing-whistleblower-dead-jos...
A toxicology is going to cost money and maybe not actually provide any more details. Any needle marks are likely to go unnoticed by the coroner doing the post mortem, if one is even given.
And the sad thing is, after all the investigation has happened, it's possible he killed himself. I'm sure lots of parents have thought their children would have never be capable of doing that, only to find out later that they did.
In some countries, a doctor clarifies the cause of death.
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The whistleblower may have been approached by foreign governments seeking classified information, but declined to share it. There are many potential scenarios to consider, beyond the obvious.
OpenAI the company may not be responsible, but there are elites in the OpenAI sphere who might be.
They were just using copyrighted material for training. I'm surprised that, OpenAI being a Microsoft child, BSA kept quiet.
Yeah this is correct. I’ve experienced the same thing working with crypto folks.
I would think a whistleblower regardless of the legitimacy of claims, would be under extra stress and perhaps even likelier that folks with preexisting mental health conditions would be more inclined to go down this route. Higher chance of suicide seems more plausible than companies whacking people. It should certainly be investigated still.
I'd rather say these people are more sensitive and aware of the consequences of their actions which is why they chose the path of a whistleblower, which is very different from saying they had mental health issues from the beginning.
Perhaps you’ve never been around bipolar folks.
Calling it “prejudiced” is silly.
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These poisons work miracles. If the person talks about it, most people will believe they are crazy before believing they are being poisoned. There is no way to prove you have been poisoned without spending millions of dollars. All of the advances in medical science pave the way for these poisons to be developed and manufactured cheaply.
OpenAI has direct connections to the military industrial complex in the US. The leaders in these orgs have huge egos that don't like to be double-crossed, and despite it not making sense long term for their business, they are perfectly safe to retaliate using these methods and choose to do so.
They’re called satellites. They probably made him hallucinate.
> The leaders in these orgs have huge egos that don't like to be double-crossed, and despite it not making sense long term for their business, they are perfectly safe to retaliate using these methods and choose to do so.
I’m pretty sure the guys at OpenAI don’t care.
Look at what the eBay CEO did to someone simply criticizing them.
If you're trying to imply openai killed him and that's the best example of corporate retaliation you can come up with, then you're nowhere close to proving your point. Sending pigs heads is despicable, by nowhere close to ordering a hit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal
What I got out of it is a garden variety abuser crosses the threshold to actually ordering a hit when the abuser felt they lost power over the abused.
A whistleblower about to publicly testify would 100% match up with that.
Do you think the Boeing whistle blowers just keep running into bad luck?
Speaks for itself.