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SpicyLemonZest commented on Waymo cars ignored stopped school buses in Atlanta. What happens now?   ajc.com/news/2025/12/waym... · Posted by u/themaninthedark
Atomic_Torrfisk · a day ago
So Waymo should go relatively unpunished? Sure the laws might be draconian, but at least apply them evenly, or change them for everyone.
SpicyLemonZest · a day ago
I don't think punishments should be decided relative to social media anecdotes. If there's some area of the country where local police routinely show up in assemblies or other gatherings and arrest people for driving past school busses, I support reforming their laws; in my local jurisdiction it's a traffic violation and police don't do that.
SpicyLemonZest commented on Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri   reuters.com/world/us/rubi... · Posted by u/italophil
foldr · 3 days ago
I easily found some research by searching Google scholar:

https://www.scitepress.org/Papers/2021/109668/109668.pdf

It's not a big difference, but apparently TNR was the worst of the fonts tested for OCR.

But anyway, there was no "signaling" about the change to Calibri. No-one ever tried to make a political issue out of it the way Rubio is now.

SpicyLemonZest · 3 days ago
I’m not sure what you think I mean by “signaling”. This is a study of OCR performance, with no attempt to measure practical accessibility issues caused by the font difference which you and I agree is not big. I’m still very skeptical that even a single State Department employee’s ability to do a good job depends on which font the department uses.

If you say that it doesn’t matter whether changing the font had a large practical impact, because it’s a gesture in the right direction or helps build a culture of accessibility, I would classify that as signaling.

SpicyLemonZest commented on Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri   reuters.com/world/us/rubi... · Posted by u/italophil
unethical_ban · 3 days ago
Neither of these decisions likely originated with the SoS themselves. I say the reasoning matters, though.

You can try to avoid the discourse, but if you're American then you're in it. This administration is destroying the country for many reasons: profit, hatred of democracy, racism, control. And FWIW, it's the current administration foaming at the mouth about a font change, not the last one.

In this case, the decision is solely because the last guy did something and they can't let anything from the last administration stand.

Let's say, in an alternate universe where Rubio's department genuinely thought there were cost or coordination issues with Calibri. They could have reversed the decision and cited that. But no: Making a font that is more compatible with screen reader technology is woke. Their words, not mine.

SpicyLemonZest · 3 days ago
"Woke" is not, in fact, their words. The source article doesn't quote Rubio as saying "woke". The NY Times coverage (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/09/us/politics/rubio-state-d...) goes into a lot more detail than Reuters, as is typical; they don't publish the full text of the order (IIUC this is common to protect sources), but they say Rubio cited a number of coordination and messaging issues, along with a metric of document accessibility requests which he says did not decrease in the Calibri era.

Again, I say this not to nitpick or to dispute that it's kinda silly, but to emphasize that this is a provocation you shouldn't and don't need to rise to. The State Department's font choices do not matter, and it will not hurt anyone nor create a bad permission structure if they use Times New Roman. The only possible way this story could become even a tiny bit consequential is if Democrats take the bait and radicalize against serifs.

SpicyLemonZest commented on Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri   reuters.com/world/us/rubi... · Posted by u/italophil
miltonlost · 3 days ago
Is it "signalling" when the left's change was for an accessibility reason, to enable more people to be able to easily read? Signaling means there's no tangible benefit to the change, so the Blinken's switch to a sans-serif font would not be signaling.

Rubio, however, specifically pointed out the symbolic (and malicious) gesture of his whole switch back to Times New Roman.

The left didn't react pettily. Please stop thinking the left are the right are the same when the facts show they are not. The left's change was for a demonstrative benefit. The right is doing it so fuck over people. You think these are the same.

SpicyLemonZest · 3 days ago
I think the concept of an accessible font is signaling. I don't think that Times New Roman is actually less legible than Calibri, and have never seen research claiming to find that Times New Roman in particular or serifs in general pose accessibility problems.
SpicyLemonZest commented on Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri   reuters.com/world/us/rubi... · Posted by u/italophil
Hizonner · 4 days ago
I'm mostly surprised it wasn't Fraktur.

How pitiful do you have to be as Secretary of State to get into minutiae about fonts, anyway?

SpicyLemonZest · 3 days ago
As pitiful as the last guy, apparently? As the article says, the decision to switch to Calibri in the first place came directly from Blinken. (I try not to get into anti-anti-Trump discourse, but getting worked up about fonts seems counterproductive to me.)
SpicyLemonZest commented on The past was not that cute   juliawise.net/the-past-wa... · Posted by u/mhb
djtango · 6 days ago
So when I was a chemist at university I saw one of those silly chain mail claims that cigarettes have polonium 210 in them. I thought "that's dumb" let me fact check that; it turns out that phosphates enrich the soil with radionuclides and radon in the soil enters plants and decays to Po210.

So actually yes I am generally in favour of archaic methods for making food because our biochemistry and the environment has had a lot longer to find equilibrium with non-synthetic solutions.

That isn't to say that we should throw away science and give up 200 years of progress on hygiene, but I also don't believe that packing chickens into their own feces then pumping them with antibiotics and washing them in chlorine is all that great either.

Maybe this solves for food scarcity and I'm all for that being available to other people but I'm perfectly willing to pay a premium on alternatives methods that eschew the use of synthetic products in my food chain.

SpicyLemonZest · 6 days ago
Again, I’m sympathetic to some arguments against unnecessary synthetic products in the food chain. I’m just not sure how you get to the intuition that packing chickens into feces is bad but packing plants into feces is perfectly OK.
SpicyLemonZest commented on The past was not that cute   juliawise.net/the-past-wa... · Posted by u/mhb
techblueberry · 6 days ago
Are you trying to imply this is bad? This is what I romanticize modern organic farming to be?
SpicyLemonZest · 6 days ago
I am. I think that organic farming is based around the same kind of fake nostalgia discussed upthread, and there's really no coherent reason to avoid chemical fertilizer. Manure contributes nothing better other than a pile of contaminants and pathogens. (I'm more sympathetic to people who want to avoid herbicides, even if the best evidence is that they're safe.)

Even if you like modern organic farming, it's carefully regulated to control the risks and environmental costs of using crap. The US National Organic Program (https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/5006.pdf), for example, requires 90-120 days between the application of raw manure and harvest; only properly pasteurized manure can be used in the months before harvest.

SpicyLemonZest commented on The past was not that cute   juliawise.net/the-past-wa... · Posted by u/mhb
djtango · 7 days ago
Au contraire, when my mother was growing up most ingredients were organic and free range by default and all your meals were hand made and free of synthetic additives.

There are charts which show the cratering of nutritional content of fresh produce over time so maybe not all goods and services of the past were total crap.

SpicyLemonZest · 7 days ago
What people mean when they say farming in the past was “organic” is that crops would be grown in actual, non-metaphorical crap. You would collect a big pile of it, let it sit there stinking up the area, and then when it dried and decomposed enough you would spread an even layer of crap across your fields.
SpicyLemonZest commented on The general who refused to crush Tiananmen's protesters   economist.com/china/2025/... · Posted by u/marojejian
vkou · 7 days ago
The wrong lesson is that while the teacher may think it's a stain, and you and I think it's a stain and how any civilized person would think it's a stain, the country doesn't think it's a stain.

What's important about it isn't that it happened, or what we think about it. What's important is how many people didn't think it was a mistake - and wouldn't when it happens again.

It reveals a major blindspot.

SpicyLemonZest · 7 days ago
I don't think that's right. I've never seen anyone claim that it was no big deal and doesn't reflect negatively on the politics of the 1970s.

There were people who argued that the shooting was the students' fault, certainly. But the students knew at the time that they were antagonizing people, and felt that it was worth the risk, predicting (correctly: https://emersoncollegepolling.com/50-years-after-kent-state-...) that future generations would see why their cause was worth fighting for. The only lesson I can see to take away from that is that violence is not the last word, and you should (as students at the time did) keep protesting even if people get shot for it.

I suppose there's also the lesson that de-escalation is an important tactical skill. But that's not controversial at all. Many recent National Guard deployments have been extremely conflicted (I'm still mad about them!), but both guard members and protestors have done a solid job at not needlessly antagonizing each other.

SpicyLemonZest commented on The past was not that cute   juliawise.net/the-past-wa... · Posted by u/mhb
samdoesnothing · 7 days ago
I wonder why it is that the past seems more real and the present dishonest and fake? Is it simply that it is?
SpicyLemonZest · 7 days ago
People forget the ways in which the past was fake. Fake butter, for example, was more common than real butter from the 1950s up until the early 2000s. But most people don't eat margarine anymore and so most people don't remember it.

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