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scrlk · 8 months ago
List of Classified Document Leaks for War Thunder: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=29240...

Apparently the latest incident was a repost of a document that was first leaked on the forum back in 2023 (see Eurofighter Typhoon).

dralley · 8 months ago
Most of the "leaks" are just documents that had been leaked elsewhere and circulated around the internet for years previously, that got reposted and reported without context.
coldblues · 8 months ago
Pretty much. The reason why these "leaks" get mentioned so much is because the idea of leaking classified documents on a video game forum is mildly amusing. The game is popular among people enrolled in the military, so it's not implausible that someone would leak documents for laughs and clout.

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Manuel_D · 8 months ago
At this point, they ought to ask if you play War Thunder on the SF-86.
sandworm101 · 8 months ago
Never ask a question of a friend when you know the answer will be a lie.
bmcahren · 8 months ago
If I'm not mistaken it was a factor in recruiting in general as evidenced by another leak.
paul-tharun · 8 months ago
This originated from this reddit thread and has been proved as fake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/10j1hqr/congrat...

source: the pinned comment on that thread

DuckConference · 8 months ago
Is this an actual leak or another case of an export-controlled document that's already circulating around the internet getting posted on their forums? Most of the war thunder "classified leaks" have just been that.
Animats · 8 months ago
There's a huge amount of info available about the CAPTOR radar, its E-CAPTOR successor, and the common European radar successor. There are Wikipedia articles, promotional videos, marketing materials, and so forth.

This video[1] gives enough info that a game dev could make up a basic simulator for a game. But that's just the basic mode. The thing has an large number of modes. Apparently it mostly manages them by itself, which is the clever part. It can act as a search radar, a targeting radar, a jammer, an RF weapon, a ground target mode, and even a bistatic mode, where one plane sends and another receives, so the attacker can get in close while not emitting.

Now that's a really hard user interface problem.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpUhIwGjI7U

sandworm101 · 8 months ago
>> and even a bistatic mode, where one plane sends and another receives, so the attacker can get in close while not emitting.

That is one concept. The tactics of bistatic radar are far more complex, with many possible modes for many different situations and advantages.

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quietbritishjim · 8 months ago
> Now that's a really hard user interface problem

I'm not sure whether or not you meant this, but it would be a hard (/interesting) user interface problem in the planes themselves, never mind the game. Especially the bistatic mode.

ethbr1 · 8 months ago
These seem like first person source, early-Wikipedia arguments. (Before citation guidelines came into full effect)

I.e. How do you correct something that you know to be wrong, when you can't point to something public?

Except, in the case of classified military technical specs -- just let it be wrong.

AdrianB1 · 8 months ago
You don't have to correct everything all the time, especially if it is a sensitive matter. Correcting Covid information 2-3 years ago was a one way ticket to being cancelled everywhere, for example. One needs to accept that being right is not something to prove every single time. Remember Galileo.
pyrale · 8 months ago
> I.e. How do you correct something that you know to be wrong, when you can't point to something public?

Shake my head, and accept that it's enough hn/reddit for today.

swozey · 8 months ago
My big takeaway from this is that War Thunder is only 200 employees. I know this is a massive income generating game so I'm googling around..

I found this post from Dec 2023 that has a mention of 121 million euros net revenue. > https://steamcommunity.com/app/236390/discussions/0/40347264... it's specifically referencing ONLY Hungarian income data for the company directly- https://www.ceginformacio.hu/cr9311454780_EN

If you look at that today in 2024- https://www.ceginformacio.hu/cr9311454780_EN

It's 137,097,280 euros a year today. $131 million revenue with 200 employees.. I've worked at 1200-2500 employee companies that were 10ths of that, if that.

Gajin has companies all over the world, I'm assuming this is only their hungarian revenue. I don't know if its only their hungarian employees, I assume so..

edit: I just noticed the ceginfomacio.hu link shows 56 people, 1 owner reported 1/1/2023. So, 56 hungarian employees?

mrguyorama · 8 months ago
The reason every game studio is trying to force their way into a "Live service" game that hits big is because they are basically unmatched when it comes to profit per unit effort. Whales will pay ANYTHING to buy EVERYTHING you offer, and everything you offer took literally an afternoon for your cheapest artist to throw together.

Honestly Gaijin isn't even the worst offender in this regard. Sure the game is so goddamned grindy that you basically HAVE to spend money if you ever want to play with the fun toys at the top of the tech trees, but a new plane model based on a real machine definitely takes more implementation effort than a hat.

bagels · 8 months ago
Again? Intelligence people are sleeping on the job if they're not scraping those forums all day every day.
whamlastxmas · 8 months ago
I really doubt there’s anything meaningful coming out of these documents. It’s not going to change any literally a single country spends their military budget
wutwutwat · 8 months ago
I don’t think anyone is concerned about budgets. Having intimate details into the systems of these craft and understanding how they operate in great detail makes it much easier to 1. Copy it, 2. Defend against it, 3. Find critical vulnerabilities in its design, 4. Build offensive systems that take advantage of any shortcomings, 5. Fast tracks their own jet fighter programs (which to your point does affect budgets because someone else had paid for the R&D)

The same is true for any IP/competitive advantage.

It’s funny how in our industry security through obsecurity is a thing we avoid, but other industries are literally built on the foundation of hiding information in order to stay ahead

giancarlostoro · 8 months ago
China has access to all of our tech leaks, and yet, they cannot replicate it, neither can Russia, heck Russia has these really powerful jet planes... but they got less than a handful of them, and their GDP is comparable to the state of Florida's GDP.
altairprime · 8 months ago
There is one meaningful thing coming out of these documents; WarThunder has become a reliable form of education in “how to evaluate information distribution restrictions regarding militarily-applicable topics” for the generations that grew up without the events of PGP / ITAR fresh in mind.
righthand · 8 months ago
It’s probably some other intelligence agency leaking it.
labster · 8 months ago
The siren call of proving someone wrong on the internet strikes again.
uncomplexity_ · 8 months ago
what law is it again? where if you want the right answers to come out, spam people with wrong answers? lol
touisteur · 8 months ago
Cunningham's Law states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."

From https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law

ls612 · 8 months ago
It has been _0_ days since classified information was leaked on the War Thunder forums.